#2 pick for Stafford and a mid round pick

[503]

Ten gets a pocket passer and a mid round pick.

Det lands the best QB in the 2015 draft in Mariota. Assuming TB makes the mistake in drafting the bonehead Winston.

What do you guys think?

 

[LKP]

No just no.

Stafford is too good. He is way better than Mariota.

If that's not enough for you, 27 million in dead money to trade Stafford. Not happening. Zero chance.

 

[503]

No just no.

Stafford is too good. He is way better than Mariota.

If that's not enough for you, 27 million in dead money to trade Stafford. Not happening. Zero chance.

Help me understand this dead money cause I don't get it...So if we trade Stafford and another team takes on his contract, does he still count against our book? If so, why and how?

 

[biggunsbob]

Go bold or go home in the NFL... Lions have to find a way to win now... Not in 5 years.. Is it with Stafford or a draft day splash? Probably Matt.. But he has to elevate his play.. But I like the idea of making a draft day high impact move.

 

[LKP]

Help me understand this dead money cause I don't get it...So if we trade Stafford and another team takes on his contract, does he still count against our book? If so, why and how?

He would count against our books. Due to signing bonus (5.5 each year leftfor 3 years so 16.5 ) and guranteed base salary for 2015 (8 million of 9.5) that guranteed last March for 2015. Plus 2.7 million from a previous restructure.

Plus he's a good QB. There is no chance he is traded for a rookie QB.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Help me understand this dead money cause I don't get it...So if we trade Stafford and another team takes on his contract, does he still count against our book? If so, why and how?

Yes. Simply put: Dead money is the salary cap space a team must allocate to a particular player who has been cut. It serves as a device to ensure that every dollar a team has paid players is eventually allocated to that team's salary cap.

That being said, who in their right mind would trade for Matt?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Ten gets a pocket passer and a mid round pick.

Det lands the best QB in the 2015 draft in Mariota. Assuming TB makes the mistake in drafting the bonehead Winston.

What do you guys think?

Compared to Mariota.....Stafford is Aaron Rodgers.

Just a terrible trade.

Even without the dead money issue which would make it impossible.....the trade itself would set the Lions back to under .500 for the next 5 years and they would be looking for a QB because Mariota will be bust.

He'll end up as a solid NFL backup....but that's it. He's a 5th round talent.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Compared to Mariota.....Stafford is Aaron Rodgers.

Just a terrible trade.

Even without the dead money issue which would make it impossible.....the trade itself would set the Lions back to under .500 for the next 5 years and they would be looking for a QB because Mariota will be bust.

He'll end up as a solid NFL backup....but that's it. He's a 5th round talent.

Matt is not the reason we win games. I'd trade him just to get rid of him..

 

[LKP]

Matt is not the reason we win games. I'd trade him just to get rid of him..

Matt is a huge reason we won 11 games. Especially given the lack of run game and protection.

 

[brewer229]

He would count against our books. Due to signing bonus (5.5 each year leftfor 3 years so 16.5 ) and guranteed base salary for 2015 (8 million of 9.5) that guaranteed last March for 2015. Plus 2.7 million from a previous restructure.

Plus he's a good QB. There is no chance he is traded for a rookie QB.

I thought the 2015 would be only if he was cut. If traded only the signing bonus and restructure bonus would be the cap hit. So 19.2 million if traded. However I could be wrong.

Regardless I don't see how a trade could happen. Stafford isn't worth a #2 overall. You don't trade that much for an statistically average QB throughout his career.

I wouldn't want Mariotta, I didn't watch tons of college football, but that games I did see, seems like he had a pretty easy job with big windows to throw into. Wouldn't give up Stafford and use a #2 on him. Too much risk.

I wouldn't be opposed to the Lions looking at a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. We need a good backup, and potentially a starter for 2016.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I thought the 2015 would be only if he was cut. If traded only the signing bonus and restructure bonus would be the cap hit. So 19.2 million if traded. However I could be wrong.

Regardless I don't see how a trade could happen. Stafford isn't worth a #2 overall. You don't trade that much for an statistically average QB throughout his career.

I wouldn't want Mariotta, I didn't watch tons of college football, but that games I did see, seems like he had a pretty easy job with big windows to throw into. Wouldn't give up Stafford and use a #2 on him. Too much risk.

I wouldn't be opposed to the Lions looking at a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. We need a good backup, and potentially a starter for 2016.

I'd take a QB in the 2nd if there's a good one. But with the talks of Mayhew wanting Orvlosky back..he won't draft a QB. Mayhew thinks we're good.

 

[brewer229]

Going strictly based on scouting reports, I would look at Garrett Grayson if he is there in the third.

 

[LKP]

I thought the 2015 would be only if he was cut. If traded only the signing bonus and restructure bonus would be the cap hit. So 19.2 million if traded. However I could be wrong.

Regardless I don't see how a trade could happen. Stafford isn't worth a #2 overall. You don't trade that much for an statistically average QB throughout his career.

I wouldn't want Mariotta, I didn't watch tons of college football, but that games I did see, seems like he had a pretty easy job with big windows to throw into. Wouldn't give up Stafford and use a #2 on him. Too much risk.

I wouldn't be opposed to the Lions looking at a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. We need a good backup, and potentially a starter for 2016.

You are correct. The base salary goes to the new team even if it's guranteed. So 19.2 in dead money or 2 million in extra cap room than what we have right now for Stafford. Spotrac just had the cut dead money. Do-able if Suh is re-signed long term or let go. Not as do-able if Suh is franchised.

But it's not happening if you have ever heard Mayhew talk about Stafford.

We would need the 2 million for extra dead money for Stafford compared to his current number and about 3.3 million (3.8-.5) to pick up the slotted amount in for pick 2. So 5.3 in room what be needed. Suh long term eats about 10-11 million of our 15.1. So we would fully restructure Calvin, creates 9.3 million but adds 2.3 to each year for four years. Maybe Tate/Quin too.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/cap/

 

[inkfreq]

Given the bust rate of QBs in the draft, there probably isn't a starter in the NFL I would trade (assuming I am that QB's GM) for a rookie.

Not Geno Smith. Not E.J. Manuel.

Even with a BAD starting QB, at least I know what I have and how much insurance I have to buy to protect my team, ala signing Michael Vick as a backup. Backfired? Absolutely. Smart move? Absolutely.

Guys like Luck happen on rare occassion. Guys like RG3 and Blake Bortles happen every single year with high consistency.

I would never trade a known commodity, no matter the value of that commodity, for an unknown variable like a rookie prospect. Not under any circumstances. Not if I wanted to keep my job as a GM.

... now can someone please give me a job as an NFL GM? I'd work for a lot.. LOT... less than the other guys. We don't even have to talk seven figures. $500K would be fine by me.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Given the bust rate of QBs in the draft, there probably isn't a starter in the NFL I would trade (assuming I am that QB's GM) for a rookie.

Not Geno Smith. Not E.J. Manuel.

Even with a BAD starting QB, at least I know what I have and how much insurance I have to buy to protect my team, ala signing Michael Vick as a backup. Backfired? Absolutely. Smart move? Absolutely.

Guys like Luck happen on rare occassion. Guys like RG3 and Blake Bortles happen every single year with high consistency.

I would never trade a known commodity, no matter the value of that commodity, for an unknown variable like a rookie prospect. Not under any circumstances. Not if I wanted to keep my job as a GM.

... now can someone please give me a job as an NFL GM? I'd work for a lot.. LOT... less than the other guys. We don't even have to talk seven figures. $500K would be fine by me.

I'd trade Ross for a 1st round pick..He's about as known as Matt. They both stink.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'd trade CJ for those picks.

 

[kdp1980]

Stafford for a late 1st to get Hundley. That would make my day

 

[dubbsco]

Stafford will be the franchise QB until he retires. They think the world of him.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stafford will be the franchise QB until he retires. They think the world of him.

Mayhew is LKP, LKP is Mayhew? I'm thinking..

 

[503]

Mariota is going to be better then Stafford. He's going to better then Winston. In fact, sometimes the obvious is too obvious that people including NFL personnel tends to over think things.

In one guy you have a good QB, who won a Championship his Freshman year. Followed that up with an 18int campaign. Played in a piss poor conference and still couldn't find his way out of trouble. You hear all this talk about how he sits in the pocket and makes correct reads, how are you making a correct read when you throw 18 interceptions in a single season? He had 5 games this past season of 2+ interception. He was a disaster on the field at times. When you throw that many picks in a college season it's obvious you do not learn from your mistakes. Speaking of mistakes, his character is in questions too. Believe it or not, I could look past the "rape allegations". People lie for money and see sport athletes as a golden ticket at times. The stealing of crab legs wouldn't of been that big of a deal for me either until I heard his excuse. How do you forget to pay? That right there shows no accountability of poor actions. After those two incidents he stands up on a table and yells an obscene quote that was going viral with "f*ck her in the f*ck'n pussy". Again, wouldn't of been a big deal just immaturity but the fact that he's already under scrutiny for other incidents makes it a big deal. He has shown on and off the field that he just doesn't get it. He doesn't learn from mistakes. As a NFL QB, a face of a franchise, you have to be a leader and one who can learn from mistakes.

In the other guy, you have the reigning Heisman Trophy winner. A guy who set a pac 12 record with TD's. A guy who lead his team to a Rose Bowl win and a National Title game. A guy who threw 42tds and only 4int the past season. A guy who has a current NFL coach say he never makes the same mistake twice. Not only that but a guy who character has NEVER been in question. At 6'4" 219, ran the 40yrd dash the same time as Colin Kaepernick. Mariota is a physical specimen, with great character and an excellent IQ in the game of football.

How in the world are people even debating who should go #1, beats the hell out of me. Sadly, sometimes the obvious answer is too obvious that you end up digging deeper and making the wrong choice. This may end up being a classic Bowie vs Jordon or Oden vs Durant draft. All the answers are right there in front of people to see, in no way should Winston be handed the keys to an NFL Franchise before Marcus Mariota.