#2 pick for Stafford and a mid round pick

[wheels002]

You cant guarantee any QB in this draft will be better than Staff. Chances are all of them will be worse. Most of these college QB's these days dont have a playbook. They dont call plays. They havnt ever taken a snap under center. Mariota said the other day the last time he actually had to call out a play he was in high school. It isnt as easy of jump as some of you morons make it out to be. Last year some of you wanted to trade Staff for Manziel because he was a cant miss. We see how that worked out. This team has a window of about 2-3 years to win and its close. You cant trade Staff now and expect a rookie QB to step in and do as well. that would be to much pressure and chances are very high he would fail.

 

[503]

You cant guarantee any QB in this draft will be better than Staff. Chances are all of them will be worse. Most of these college QB's these days dont have a playbook. They dont call plays. They havnt ever taken a snap under center. Mariota said the other day the last time he actually had to call out a play he was in high school. It isnt as easy of jump as some of you morons make it out to be. Last year some of you wanted to trade Staff for Manziel because he was a cant miss. We see how that worked out. This team has a window of about 2-3 years to win and its close. You cant trade Staff now and expect a rookie QB to step in and do as well. that would be to much pressure and chances are very high he would fail.

If you're a good QB on a good team your going to win at an early age these days. See RG3, Wilson, Luck, Cam, Big Ben, ect...Mariota is that guy, just has to go to a decent team. He'll be a playoff QB by year 3, nobody where he plays.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If you're a good QB on a good team your going to win at an early age these days. See RG3, Wilson, Luck, Cam, Big Ben, ect...Mariota is that guy, just has to go to a decent team. He'll be a playoff QB by year 3, nobody where he plays.

RG3? How'd you throw him in there :lmao: And Cam just won 7 games.

 

[503]

RG3? How'd you throw him in there :lmao: And Cam just won 7 games.

If I'm not mistaken RG3 has won his division his rookie year, something Stafford hasn't in how many years in the league?

And Cam, he's reached the playoffs two consecutive years. Say what you want but the guy found a way not only to reach playoffs but win his division back2back years.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If I'm not mistaken RG3 has won his division his rookie year, something Stafford hasn't in how many years in the league?

And Cam, he's reached the playoffs two consecutive years. Say what you want but the guy found a way not only to reach playoffs but win his division back2back years.

Redskins, 7 wins in two years. Who cares about the one year or you could say Matt is elite based on 2011. Cam, 7 wins sucks. He was in a weak ass division. And his stats aren't any better than Matt's. Both extremely overrated. Just like Vick.

 

[wheels002]

The Redskins also have an easier division. For as much as I hate the packers you have to give them credit for being an elite team for several years. You just cant draft one of these rookie QB's put them on a veteran team and expect him to lead them. It wont work! The issues Mariota are lengthy. The Oregon offense basically is a 2 read pass if they arent there then he is to run. Very seldom is he ever asked to read an entire field. He hasnt colled a play in years. Oregon just holds up pictures and the same picture means different things to the different positions. He struggled a lot at the senior bowl understanding the playbook. he had issues even calling the play correctly. So lets say the Lions were to do this trade and sign Mariota. You have to teach him the playbook. You have to teach him how to read a defense. Then you have to teach him how to audible because he has never done that. You have to teach him 3, 5 and 7 step drops and the proper footwork. He has to learn how to huddle and to command that huddle and how to call a play. All of that in 4 months between the draft and the start of season. It would be a disaster.

 

[dubbsco]

Of course QBs can win right away in today's NFL, it's beyond friendly for the passers. Andrew Luck has won three postseason games in three years with an inferior team. It's not that impossible to win a freaking playoff game, shit, Carolina got it done this year.

 

[tomdalton22]

Of course QBs can win right away in today's NFL, it's beyond friendly for the passers. Andrew Luck has won three postseason games in three years with an inferior team. It's not that impossible to win a freaking playoff game, shit, Carolina got it done this year.

Andrew Luck type QBs only come around every 10 years or so. There isn't a QB in this draft that I would hand the team over to.

 

[dubbsco]

No, I don't know how Mariota and Winston will turn out either, but it's not ridiculous for the Lions to draft someone in the 3rd, 4th round and give Stafford some competition. He's had a cushy seat for his entire time in Detroit.

 

[Monster]

If you're a good QB on a good team your going to win at an early age these days. See RG3, Wilson, Luck, Cam, Big Ben, ect...Mariota is that guy, just has to go to a decent team. He'll be a playoff QB by year 3, nobody where he plays.

Luck was on a good team? Dude, they had the #1 pick. They were a shit team without him and would still be a shit team if he didn't play this year.

 

[Monster]

Andrew Luck type QBs only come around every 10 years or so. There isn't a QB in this draft that I would hand the team over to.

what if Winston didn't have all of his issues? I think he's the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft, but I wouldn't trust him to 1.) Stay out of trouble and 2.) Not go the way of Vince Young. But of course, you're right.

 

[kdp1980]

Luck was on a good team? Dude, they had the #1 pick. They were a shit team without him and would still be a shit team if he didn't play this year.

It's hard to guage how shitty that Indy team was, who even played qb for them that year?

 

[LKP]

It's hard to guage how shitty that Indy team was, who even played qb for them that year?

Orlovsky went 2-3 with that team. Painter and Collins went 0-13. It's like when the Cardinals were starting Lindley. Are they a bad team, no, there QB was just really really bad.

 

[dubbsco]

So since they went 0-13, doesn't that speak to how incredible Andrew Luck really is, and how far away Stafford is from being at his level?

 

[LKP]

So since they went 0-13, doesn't that speak to how incredible Andrew Luck really is, and how far away Stafford is from being at his level?

Colts were a good team. Stafford and Luck are closer than Stafford and Painter/Collins. Luck didn't have to be that good to turn Indy around. They play in the AFC South does that on it's own.

 

[kdp1980]

So since they went 0-13, doesn't that speak to how incredible Andrew Luck really is

Actually, it doesnt. Without a viable qb, a decent team becomes a very bad team. The losing seasons Stafford puts together are the head scratcher though. Good talent around him, and still he loses. Maybe the Lions are just the exception to the rule.

 

[dubbsco]

They won 2 games the year before Luck came in. So when Luck came in, the team was still relatively similar, correct? It's no coincidence that they suddenly became a consistent 11 game winner with his arrival.

 

[kdp1980]

The point is that the qb that lost that 13 games and the qb that went 2-3 were all bums. The team that Luck inherited was a decent team with no qb. Whether Peyton made them or not, they were still consistently in the playoffs before Luck got there. 1 miserable year with Peyton down, is how I look at it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The point is that the qb that lost that 13 games and the qb that went 2-3 were all bums. The team that Luck inherited was a decent team with no qb. Whether Peyton made them or not, they were still consistently in the playoffs before Luck got there. 1 miserable year with Peyton down, is how I look at it.

Tend to agree. Might be the worst trio of QB ever on one team..

 

[tomdalton22]

The point is that the qb that lost that 13 games and the qb that went 2-3 were all bums. The team that Luck inherited was a decent team with no qb. Whether Peyton made them or not, they were still consistently in the playoffs before Luck got there. 1 miserable year with Peyton down, is how I look at it.

I think it proves that Peyton and Luck make that team. A "decent" team with shitty QB play does't go 2-14.