2020 Dem candidate

[byco42]

I?m pretty sure I learned chords at first from friends and maybe my cousins. I took some lessons with the group for a short while but I never had one on one instruction that was paid for.

I used to play quite a bit, accompanying myself singing, but it?s been quite some time since I pulled the old axe out of the box.

Records and songbooks for me. And then sitting with other players and learning and then teaching others informally. Recently took lessons for two years and it elevated my play exponentially. Also learned the bass in a month and joined a band in the 90s and played out for about 8 years. Not picked up the bass since.

 

[tinselwolverine]

If Biden keeps slipping, there is a real possibility that we have extreme right vs extreme left in 2020. And here I thought my choices in 2016 were bad..

Is Trump really that far right?

I guess the tax cut is traditionally conservative, but in California, if you?re not broke dick poor, which I?m not, it was actually a tax increase-here and in a number of other states.

He hasn?t really done anything much except play lip service to other shit.

The Muslim ban was shot down by the courts, the wall hasn?t been built, the borders haven?t been secured, illegal immigrants really aren?t being deported very much, the ACA is still predominately in effect; I guess he?s pumped a little more money into military, which always gets a lot of money anyway.

He?s appointed a couple of more conservative justices to the court, but so would have any Republican president. The court really hasn?t made any drastic changes so far.

The biggest change I?ve seen are the tariffs, which are typically antithetical to conservatives.

 

[Spartanmack]

Is Trump really that far right?

I guess the tax cut is traditionally conservative, but in California, if you?re not broke dick poor, which I?m not, it was actually a tax increase-here and in a number of other states.

He hasn?t really done anything much except play lip service to other shit.

The Muslim ban was shot down by the courts, the wall hasn?t been built, the borders haven?t been secured, illegal immigrants really aren?t being deported very much, the ACA is still predominately in effect; I guess he?s pumped a little more money into military, which always gets a lot of money anyway.

He?s appointed a couple of more conservative justices to the court, but so would have any Republican president. The court really hasn?t made any drastic changes so far.

The biggest change I?ve seen are the tariffs, which are typically antithetical to conservatives.

it's amazing we've gotten to the point where "securing the border" is considered a far right policy. I won't ding him too hard for the tariffs because I still believe it's a means to an end, not a new regime in US trade policy.

I agree though, other than moving the embassy to Israel (which again, doesn't seem all that far right) and with deficits expanding ad infinitum, I don't see how people can think Trump is far right, unless they believe the BS that he's an openly racist white supremacist (which has nothing to do with conservatism, but since liberal hippies who never grew up and got real jobs became the radical leftist professors who wrote the history books for the last 60 years, everyone thinks it's a far right thing).

 

[sggatecl]

Is Trump really that far right?

I guess the tax cut is traditionally conservative, but in California, if you?re not broke dick poor, which I?m not, it was actually a tax increase-here and in a number of other states.

He hasn?t really done anything much except play lip service to other shit.

The Muslim ban was shot down by the courts, the wall hasn?t been built, the borders haven?t been secured, illegal immigrants really aren?t being deported very much, the ACA is still predominately in effect; I guess he?s pumped a little more money into military, which always gets a lot of money anyway.

He?s appointed a couple of more conservative justices to the court, but so would have any Republican president. The court really hasn?t made any drastic changes so far.

The biggest change I?ve seen are the tariffs, which are typically antithetical to conservatives.

So he's far right in rhetoric but not so far right in actual policy. I can see that argument.

 

[byco42]

Was Trump ever described as a racist, white supremacist before he was president?

 

[Spartanmack]

Was Trump ever described as a racist, white supremacist before he was president?

no, because he was a pro choice Democrat up until about 2010 when he first started toying with the idea of becoming POTUS and no one took him seriously until much later when to everyone's shock, he actually got the nomination.

 

[Michchamp]

Was Trump ever described as a racist, white supremacist before he was president?

when he kept tweeting Obama wasn't an American and demanded he show his birth certificate, yes.

 

[Michchamp]

when he kept tweeting Obama wasn't an American and demanded he show his birth certificate, yes.

remember those days?

We still thought our nation had some sense, and a failed real estate developer, who was also a fraud, a serial philanderer, and a reality TV show host would never become president.

 

[byco42]

when he kept tweeting Obama wasn't an American and demanded he show his birth certificate, yes.

It's "racist" to question if someone is a naturalized American citizen? How?

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's "racist" to question if someone is a naturalized American citizen? How?

Dude, you of all people, for Pete?s sake. ?Naturalized? and native born are distinctly different and identified as different in the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

Trump never questioned that Obama was not naturalized, he questioned that Obama was native born.

I don?t know that it was racist, arguably Trump was just being the attention whore prima donna asshole that he always is.

I am really afraid to point out to SpartanMac that the Israeli embassy was not moved from Israel to Israel, it was moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

 

[byco42]

Dude, you of all people, for Pete?s sake. ?Naturalized? and native born are distinctly different and identified as different in the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

Trump never questioned that Obama was not naturalized, he questioned that Obama was native born.

I don?t know that it was racist, arguably Trump was just being the attention whore prima donna asshole that he always is.

I am really afraid to point out to SpartanMac that the Israeli embassy was not moved from Israel to Israel, it was moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

Duly noted and admonished.

 

[TheVictors]

Was Trump ever described as a racist, white supremacist before he was president?

Folks in NYC certainly said he was.

 

[byco42]

Folks in NYC certainly said he was.

"Folks in NYC."

 

[Michchamp]

It's "racist" to question if someone is a naturalized American citizen? How?

that wasn't your question.

nevertheless, I think he's a racist piece of shit, and now since we're on the topic so were Reagan and Nixon. Without a doubt.

 

[Michchamp]

Folks in NYC certainly said he was.

The Trump business (under his dad) was credibly sued by the Feds for discriminating against African American (or as some prefer, BLACK) renters.

Donald, hiring notoriously despicable attorney Roy Cohn, fought back against the suit, rather than, you know, STOPPING DISCRIMINATION.

Trump (also despicably) ran newspaper ads inflaming public opinion in the Central Park 5 debacle.

Trump.... BLOWS.

 

[byco42]

that wasn't your question.

nevertheless, I think he's a racist piece of shit, and now since we're on the topic so were Reagan and Nixon. Without a doubt.

Bill Clinton, too. And Hillary. Since we're on the topic.

 

[TheVictors]

"Folks in NYC."

He's a slumlord who had shown over decades systemic racism towards tenants and those in the working class. Friends in NY laughed when the national reaction to his behavior was what it was because as one said, "The guy has been on Page 6 of the NY Post forever ...now the rest of the country gets to see what he really is."

Folks and in ...people in NY more familiar with him than those who watched the Apprentice.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's "racist" to question if someone is a naturalized American citizen? How?

It's only racist if a Republican does it. Hillary's campaign did it in the primaries in 2008 and no one batted an eye, or brought up the fact the idea originated from the Democrats.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's only racist if a Republican does it. Hillary's campaign did it in the primaries in 2008 and no one batted an eye, or brought up the fact the idea originated from the Democrats.

I remember Bill Clinton saying something about North Carolina or South Carolina and help Jessie Jackson had fair there once when he had saw the democratic nomination, and it did in fact sound pretty racist to me.

 

[Spartanmack]

I remember Bill Clinton saying something about North Carolina or South Carolina and help Jessie Jackson had fair there once when he had saw the democratic nomination, and it did in fact sound pretty racist to me.

Wasn't Clinton quoted as saying something like "when I was president, he would be serving us coffee" to a friend in reference to Obama.