65 Conservative Celebrities

[michiganalex]

Bill Cosby and General Powell are as well. they were at a republican event in SEattle a few years back.

also some of the dems here immediately point the finger at the republicans and not admitting any fault by their guys. and the republicans do the same thing

 

[michiganalex]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/144048-12-conservative-celebrities-part-last-list/

 

[Sbee]

That's the point, dumbass - based on this list his conclusion is famous conservatives are basically Meatloaf, a ton of rich old white guys from the PGA and an idiot. Personally, I don't give a shit which celebrities are conservative or liberal but I had looked at the list and thought once again, one of you guys was making an unsupported statement about conservatives so I took a closer look and sure enough, he couldn't have been more wrong. Of course I would never get into an argument with liberals about who has the better celebs on their side - mainly because like I said, I don't give a shit but also because you guys have Janeane Garafolo, Matt Damon, Michael Moore, Madonna, etc, etc...

I was just pointing out that it's no surprise that there are a lot of golfers on the list. It's a rich man's game, access is difficult for the poor, you need a course, clubs, money, time, transportation, etc. To get good at basketball you just need one ball and some friends. The PGA tour is overwhelmingly white and southern, given that warm weather states produce more golfers. There are plenty from California but the majority are from Florida, Georgia, Arizona, and Texas.

 

[Sbee]

Bill Cosby and General Powell are as well. they were at a republican event in SEattle a few years back.

also some of the dems here immediately point the finger at the republicans and not admitting any fault by their guys. and the republicans do the same thing

Cosby isn't a Republican but your average fox news viewer loves him because he criticizes the black community. Of course he does it out of concern for the well being of society while others have different intentions.

http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/matt...tting-their-hands-during-obama-speech-equival

 

[Spartanmack]

I was just pointing out that it's no surprise that there are a lot of golfers on the list. It's a rich man's game, access is difficult for the poor, you need a course, clubs, money, time, transportation, etc. To get good at basketball you just need one ball and some friends. The PGA tour is overwhelmingly white and southern, given that warm weather states produce more golfers. There are plenty from California but the majority are from Florida, Georgia, Arizona, and Texas.

No, there aren't a lot, there are 4 out of 65 and only one of them is "old" - of all the sports represented on the list only baseball has fewer than golf (unless you consider speed skating and auto racing - but I'm guessing there are a lot of drivers and team owners that could easily make that list). And no, you weren't. You were boiling the list of famous conservatives down to "a ton" of rich old white men who play golf for a living and are members at country clubs (like you) and 2 entertainers you don't respect and saying based on that the list is not at all surprising.

 

[Spartanmack]

Cosby isn't a Republican but your average fox news viewer loves him because he criticizes the black community. Of course he does it out of concern for the well being of society while others have different intentions.

http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/matt...tting-their-hands-during-obama-speech-equival

I was wondering how long it would take for an accusation of racism to work its way into this thread. Of course, when a black guy says the problems start at home, be a dad to your children, he's speaking "truth to power" but when a white person says anything other than "it's societies fault, we'll keep you in perpetual poverty with our failed welfare policies in perpetuity" then clearly, they're racist.

 

[Sbee]

No, there aren't a lot, there are 4 out of 65 and only one of them is "old" - of all the sports represented on the list only baseball has fewer than golf (unless you consider speed skating and auto racing - but I'm guessing there are a lot of drivers and team owners that could easily make that list). And no, you weren't. You were boiling the list of famous conservatives down to "a ton" of rich old white men who play golf for a living and are members at country clubs (like you) and 2 entertainers you don't respect and saying based on that the list is not at all surprising.

Really, what's your fucking point? Are you arguing just to argue? You could have filled that entire list with pro golfers, my point is that the PGA tour is filled with conservatives. Do you really want to argue that?

 

[Sbee]

I was wondering how long it would take for an accusation of racism to work its way into this thread. Of course, when a black guy says the problems start at home, be a dad to your children, he's speaking "truth to power" but when a white person says anything other than "it's societies fault, we'll keep you in perpetual poverty with our failed welfare policies in perpetuity" then clearly, they're racist.

Bill Cosby speaks from a point of genuine concern, I can't say the same for the old white guys who forward emails about his criticism of the black community.

yes you can be white and have genuine concern for minorities in poor communities (or better yet the poor regardless of race). It just that the whites that are touting cosby are the ones with contempt towards those groups.

 

[Spartanmack]

Really, what's your fucking point? Are you arguing just to argue? You could have filled that entire list with pro golfers, my point is that the PGA tour is filled with conservatives. Do you really want to argue that?

My, what hostility. My point is you're always making unsubstantiated, factually incorrect statements about politics because you hate conservatives, and this is no exception. While we're at it, what's your point? Because first it was "no surprise", this list is "a ton" of rich, white, old pga golfers and two entertainers you think are idiots even though there were only 4 out of 65 and only 1 was old and several other "professions" were much more prominently represented. Then your point was "golf is a rich man's game" while basketball is an "every man's" go so it's not surprise there are a lot of golfers on the list, even though there were still only 4 out of 65 and just as many basketball players. Now it's "you could fill that entire list with pro golfers" which would be convenient for you because then your original point would be correct.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You could have filled that entire list with pro golfers, my point is that the PGA tour is filled with conservatives...

There were a number of race car drivers I noticed too...you could probably fill the entire list with them too.

I wonder about Danica Patrick?

I'm guessing she's bi-partisan.

 

[Spartanmack]

Bill Cosby speaks from a point of genuine concern, I can't say the same for the old white guys who forward emails about his criticism of the black community.

yes you can be white and have genuine concern for minorities in poor communities (or better yet the poor regardless of race). It just that the whites that are touting cosby are the ones with contempt towards those groups.

Seriously, how the fuck do you know that? Because you know someone who forwarded a Bill Cosby quote? That is complete nonsense. You and other libs think every conservative news outlet and every conservative in politics and every conservative in general is racist and you think statements like "you can be white and have genuine concern for minorities" (as long as you are a liberal democrat) lends credibility to your dismissing opposing views offhand as racist. And of course, the only reason conservatives ever tout the views of a minority conservative is to show they're not racist, which is of course just racists showing off their Uncle Tom.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Bill Cosby is great. It makes me very happy to see him working again. I hope he's not remembered for the critical stuff, not that I'm passing judgement on it, it's just not what I remember him for. It's not related to his career and his work.

I don't recall what Cosby said in detail, but generally speaking, the advice that "you have to take responsibility for yourself, your happiness, your place in life, regardless of what's fair or unfair" is a good message to take to heart and it can be tough love sometimes. The thing about tough love that makes it ok for one person to say and not another is that the person giving it loves the person he's giving it to. Jumping on board with someone else's tough love message is kind of messed up.

 

[Spartanmack]

There were a number of race car drivers I noticed too...you could probably fill the entire list with them too.

I wonder about Danica Patrick?

I'm guessing she's bi-partisan.

or even better, bi-curious...

 

[TheVictors]

you have to admit that when there is a vocal "Black conservative" the right media gives that a LOT of play as a retort to the presumption that all Blacks vote Dem.

And more often than not, the narrative is the old "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" sentiment that is used to exemplify how ...without "welfare" or other "assistance," that people can succeed in this great nation of ours, despite the odds.

I don't understand the tangent about the PGA. Wealthy or not, liberal or conservative ...golf is the bastion of the old, white man and has been forever. There are few places left where one can tell off color/sexist jokes without rebuke.

I'm assuming the vast majority of those on the PGA tour are "conservative" but as much because of their background, upbringing and current tax bracket.

By that same token, I would assume the vast majority of those playing in the NBA are "progressives" ...because of their backgroud, upbringing and current income level.

 

[Spartanmack]

Bill Cosby is great. It makes me very happy to see him working again. I hope he's not remembered for the critical stuff, not that I'm passing judgement on it, it's just not what I remember him for. It's not related to his career and his work.

I don't recall what Cosby said in detail, but generally speaking, the advice that "you have to take responsibility for yourself, your happiness, your place in life, regardless of what's fair or unfair" is a good message to take to heart and it can be tough love sometimes. The thing about tough love that makes it ok for one person to say and not another is that the person giving it loves the person he's giving it to. Jumping on board with someone else's tough love message is kind of messed up.

Love his stand up and Fat Albert and the first couple seasons of the Cosby Show but like so many shows it got old, fast. Thankfully, they didn't draw it out as long as they did with shows like Cheers.

I disagree on the tough love point - first, I don't think telling derelict fathers they need to man up and take responsibility is tough love, I think it's telling it like it is. To me, tough love is removing your safety net from someone you love and have tried everything to help but to no avail - a last chance desperation move to get someone to straighten out their life. Also, I don't think it's inappropriate to applaud someone for telling it like it is regardless of your race or different life experience.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Love his stand up and Fat Albert and the first couple seasons of the Cosby Show but like so many shows it got old, fast. Thankfully, they didn't draw it out as long as they did with shows like Cheers.

I disagree on the tough love point - first, I don't think telling derelict fathers they need to man up and take responsibility is tough love, I think it's telling it like it is. To me, tough love is removing your safety net from someone you love and have tried everything to help but to no avail - a last chance desperation move to get someone to straighten out their life. Also, I don't think it's inappropriate to applaud someone for telling it like it is regardless of your race or different life experience.

I don't recall exactly what he said, but I doubt he was just calling out derelict fathers. I don't think anyone was passing around quotes on facebook saying, "finally, somebody's calling out derelict fathers." There had to be more to it than that.

 

[Spartanmack]

you have to admit that when there is a vocal "Black conservative" the right media gives that a LOT of play as a retort to the presumption that all Blacks vote Dem.

And more often than not, the narrative is the old "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" sentiment that is used to exemplify how ...without "welfare" or other "assistance," that people can succeed in this great nation of ours, despite the odds.

Well, the flip side to that is the right is CONSTANTLY under attack for being racist. Then when they highlight a black or hispanic conservative, that person is immediately cast as a "token" or an Uncle Tom. It's a no win situation. Watch 5 minutes of Chris Matthews, he literally thinks everything a conservative says about welfare is veiled racism.

And the sentiment is such, more often than not because that is the basic tenet of the conservative movement - people can do more for themselves and know better what's good for them than the nanny, entitlement state. And they're right - liberty and capitalism have lifted more people out of poverty than any economic or social system in recorded history and welfare perpetuates poverty for way more than it raises out of poverty, if it even does.

As for rich, white old men in the PGA it's worth noting that the PGA tour raises more money for charity than any major sport and the vast majority of that money goes to underprivileged kids charities mostly in the regions where the PGA events are held. Not bad for a bunch of old, racist white dudes. But for some reason, we hear more about some baller opening up a box truck in his old hood and giving away ten grand worth of turkeys at Thanksgiving, or sneakers, winter coats, game boys or whatever. Of course that is honorable and i'm not trying to downplay the sincerity of it, but the fact is, these old white guys in the PGA that you assume are hiding out in country clubs telling jokes about blacks and Mexicans are doing whole lot for charity for people they supposedly hate.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't recall exactly what he said, but I doubt he was just calling out derelict fathers. I don't think anyone was passing around quotes on facebook saying, "finally, somebody's calling out derelict fathers." There had to be more to it than that.

It was mostly about taking personal responsibility for improving your life and not playing the victim blaming your lot in life on others. As I recall, he specifically talked about the importance of family and called on men to take responsibility and be fathers to their children. Either way, it was more a case of telling it like it is than tough love.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It was mostly about taking personal responsibility for improving your life and not playing the victim blaming your lot in life on others. As I recall, he specifically talked about the importance of family and called on men to take responsibility and be fathers to their children. Either way, it was more a case of telling it like it is than tough love.

Either way, the difference in criticism is "I'm frustrated because I care about you." vs "This is your problem." You can't tell where a person's heart is and sometimes people will assume the worst regarding others and the best regarding themselves, but there's a difference regardless of whether you want to call it tough love or telling it like it is. With Cosby, I'm more inclined to believe it comes from genuine concern for people. With a FOX news broadcaster, I'm more inclined to believe it's motivated by a drive to increase ratings through catering to people's tendency to feel good talking shit about others.

 

[Spartanmack]

Either way, the difference in criticism is "I'm frustrated because I care about you." vs "This is your problem." You can't tell where a person's heart is and sometimes people will assume the worst regarding others and the best regarding themselves, but there's a difference regardless of whether you want to call it tough love or telling it like it is. With Cosby, I'm more inclined to believe it comes from genuine concern for people. With a FOX news broadcaster, I'm more inclined to believe it's motivated by a drive to increase ratings through catering to people's tendency to feel good talking shit about others.

That's just it - if your skin color matches the targeted audience, you're coming from a place of genuine concern. If you don't have the right skin color, then the only way you can be coming from a place of genuine concern is if you support the welfare policies of the left.