Adios Joe

[beez]

Paterno is not responsible for that guys actions, or what the authorities do to handle it. He should not be forced to do anything. If he wants to coach for 10 more years he should be allowed assuming they are winning.

 

[Michchamp]

We're not talking about some adult female PSU employee accusing Sandusky of "sexual harassment" because he called her "sweetheart" and complimented her on her tight sweater or anything. That sort of thing gets brushed aside all the time

Oh, we're not? Thanks for clearing that up...

 

[Michchamp]

Paterno is not responsible for that guys actions, or what the authorities do to handle it. He should not be forced to do anything. If he wants to coach for 10 more years he should be allowed assuming they are winning.

Well, even knowing the little about this matter that I do from reading the news articles, I still think he had more of a moral duty to do more at the time, and for this reason, he should resign.

It's just that I don't think his failure to immediately change into the private investigator/judge & jury some seem to feel he should've done after notifying his bosses justifies considering him as bad as Sandusky himself as some people have explicitly said... that's idiotic.

 

[TheVictors]

Who has ever said Paterno is "as bad as Sandusky?"

I have yet to hear that on TV, the radio or read it. All I've heard is "clean house" and start over. As a University how could you not?

 

[beez]

I've read on here that Paterno is Scum...he's sick...I saw someone say they are all monsters....he's morally wrong etc..these things are ridiculous imo.

 

[beez]

I also don't see how it's fair to a coach on that staff who had nothing to do with it to be fired over it. Should the offensive coordinator lose his job because some random guy in the program touches little boys and the authorities at the University covered it up? If a new incoming coach lets them go then fine, but they should not be let go for this.

 

[TheVictors]

I've never said that and wouldn't before knowing the facts of the case. But the armchair psychologist in me says Paterno's wanting to talk about this ...wanting to have a press conference, shows remorse or guilt or at least a desire to clear the air. Why that has yet to happen is because of the liability the University might face if he isn't first coached by lawyers on what (not) to say.

How can PSU's President be expected to be fired today or tomorrow but Paterno gets to "retire" on his terms at the end of the year?

 

[TheVictors]

I also don't see how it's fair to a coach on that staff who had nothing to do with it to be fired over it. Should the offensive coordinator lose his job because some random guy in the program touches little boys and the authorities at the University covered it up? If a new incoming coach lets them go then fine, but they should not be let go for this.

It wasn't fair to thousands of HealthSouth employees who lost their job because the CEO was a crook either.

 

[Michchamp]

Yeah, my post was not in response solely to comments in this thread. It just seemed appropo here, given azian6er's comments and your response.

 

[Michchamp]

I also don't see how it's fair to a coach on that staff who had nothing to do with it to be fired over it. Should the offensive coordinator lose his job because some random guy in the program touches little boys and the authorities at the University covered it up? If a new incoming coach lets them go then fine, but they should not be let go for this.

It wasn't fair to thousands of HealthSouth employees who lost their job because the CEO was a crook either.

For the LAST TIME... he's NOT a CEO, the comparison isn't apt, and Penn State isn't a for-profit corporation...

 

[TheVictors]

It wasn't fair to thousands of HealthSouth employees who lost their job because the CEO was a crook either.

For the LAST TIME... he's NOT a CEO, the comparison isn't apt, and Penn State isn't a for-profit corporation...

I KNOW, and he's not a Captain of a ship either. The anaolgy isn't to draw specific comparisons to the private sector in terms of fiduciary liability but to illustrate how Paterno may be a fall guy if for no other reason than he's THE FACE of Penn State.

 

[Michchamp]

ok, someone just sent me this...http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area

notice the date. Unbelievable they kept this buried so long.

Paterno should resign NOW. I still wouldn't go so far as to call him "scum," but who knows what else is lurking below the surface there.

Was under the impression that Sandusky's retirement from coaching was more or less an old age thing that wasn't related directly the allegations, but now it's clear to me that wasn't the case.

 

[TheVictors]

Hey look, I'm King Hippo now!

(sorry, just a bit of levity to break things up)

 

[Michchamp]

Still curious what was said & what info exchanged between the admin & Paterno.

If they made him think all was well and taken care of... I don't fault him (as much) for failing to lead some sort of Hollywood-movie like crusade to investigate it himself. That's just not realistic. But regardless, like I said, given the timing of Sandusky's "retirement" and the clusterF that's emerged, he needs to resign now.

But... yeah, if Paterno knew Sandusky was still around and working with his youth organization... for most of the last decade... uuuhhhh...

doesn't look good.

 

[beez]

I know its a play on words in a way but CEO is a bad analogy. As I said before he is more of a Tom Brady than a Robert Kraft. He's the face of Penn State but not the head of it. If Wes Welker fucks a little boy in the shower and Tom Brady heard about it from the guy who washes the jock straps at night, reports it to Kraft and security and nothing happens, Tom Brady doesn't need to be fired.

 

[TheVictors]

Did you read the April article Champ linked?

 

[newton83]

I know its a play on words in a way but CEO is a bad analogy. As I said before he is more of a Tom Brady than a Robert Kraft. He's the face of Penn State but not the head of it. If Wes Welker fucks a little boy in the shower and Tom Brady heard about it from the guy who washes the jock straps at night, reports it to Kraft and security and nothing happens, Tom Brady doesn't need to be fired.

You're underestimating Paterno's influence. Former players, coaches, administrators have all come out and said that he's the most powerful person on campus. Even Matt Millen kind of smirked when he was asked "Who had more authority than Joe?" and could only muster "well, I guess the president of the university" in an aw shucks manner. Clearly the guy was pulling all the strings back then; maybe not so much these days. Don't let the old man you see today cloud your vision. He was absolutely in charge when these allegations first came down, all the way through the "investigation" and supposed resolution. "Hmm we'll keep the old Pervert away from the facilities when he's got a young boy with him. Let him do that somewhere else." Great moral character there.

 

[Michchamp]

am I to understand that you are using a statement from Matt Millen to bolster a point you are trying to make. Matt Millen. The same Matt Millen who oversaw the most disastrous decade of a team in NFL history? That Matt Millen?

 

[Michchamp]

You know what would be nice? If someone could put together a timeline of facts from the record; might help to really get to the bottom of whether Paterno's legacy is merely tarnished, or whether he is tied with Sandusky for the current title of the world's worst human being.

 

[byco42]

I think Paterno's passing this matter to "higher authorities" is the equivalent of looking the other way. And Paterno broke the law by not reporting the matter to the police. The people he reported the incident to , the AD and the director of finance, were arrested for obstruction and perjury, but not Paterno. Explain that one.

Tell me that Bo or Woody would take this course of action, or lack of it.