Baldwin has second round tender

[LKP]

Delmas best Titus broyles can all play football well. Other factors came into play for them unfortunately

 

[Mitchrapp]

Delmas best Titus broyles can all play football well. Other factors came into play for them unfortunately

Only an idiot drafts Broyles in round 2. And when someone gets here already injured then it's not "Unfortunate". It's what was expected.

 

[inkfreq]

Delmas was a good pick.
Best was a 1st round pick.
Titus, I think there were mitigating factors, like his head being squashed.
Broyles was a bad pick, period. We didn't need a WR, and he was injured to boot.
Leshoure was a good pick, and may still be one. The previous regime had problems with him.


But lets not forget some of those 3rd round picks as well....

Like Levy, who has turned into a great player. I strongly feel he should have been a pro-bowler last season.

Bill Bentley, who is turning into a solid back.
Larry Warford, best 3rd round pick in a long long time.
Amari Spievey, not so much.

Let's not just focus on the 2nd round, which has been questionable, but not pure bust as some would have us believe. Mayhew has found good to serviceable players in later rounds as well. I mean, it's not like the guy drafted Ernie Sims number 9 overall or Jordan Dizon and Drew Stanton in the 2nd round.

He's been a decent drafter, and with Xanders, he's even better.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Delmas was an okay pick. I guess I expect more from second round picks. I'm tired of was a good pick but turned injury prone or crap..Most will Disagree but Best was not a good pick. The chance of getting fk'd in the head goes up when It happens once. But again I'm talking second. Leshoure had turned out bad, that's my concern.

He might not be pure crap but he hasn't been good.

 

[Monster]

Titus had a really good rookie year. I wonder why people always forget that.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Delmas was an okay pick. I guess I expect more from second round picks. I'm tired of was a good pick but turned injury prone or crap..Most will Disagree but Best was not a good pick. The chance of getting fk'd in the head goes up when It happens once. But again I'm talking second. Leshoure had turned out bad, that's my concern.

He might not be pure crap but he hasn't been good.

And the reason I brought up the second round was because it was what was brought up for Baldwin's 2nd round tender..

 

[Mitchrapp]

Titus had a really good rookie year. I wonder why people always forget that.

We don't forget but in the end he ain't here...

 

[LKP]

Only an idiot drafts Broyles in round 2. And when someone gets here already injured then it's not "Unfortunate". It's what was expected.

Broyles was a record breaking WR in college. All time receptions leader. Very productive and HEALTHY most of his college career in 4 years. One ACL tear can be overcome(see almost any player with an ACL tear) and Round 2 is when you take those risks. One ACL tear does not foreshadow the opposite ACL tear and an achilles tear. That is bad luck for Broyles and Mayhew.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Broyles was a record breaking WR in college. All time receptions leader. Very productive and HEALTHY most of his college career in 4 years. One ACL tear can be overcome(see almost any player with an ACL tear) and Round 2 is when you take those risks. One ACL tear does not foreshadow the opposite ACL tear and an achilles tear. That is bad luck for Broyles and Mayhew.

He was a slot receiver. It's not about coming back from the injury but the fact is cuts into his rookie year, ota's for example. It made no sense.

 

[mhughes0021]

Broyles was a record breaking WR in college. All time receptions leader. Very productive and HEALTHY most of his college career in 4 years. One ACL tear can be overcome(see almost any player with an ACL tear) and Round 2 is when you take those risks. One ACL tear does not foreshadow the opposite ACL tear and an achilles tear. That is bad luck for Broyles and Mayhew.

weve had this discussion. when you break records in college its usually due to you being not good enough to leave early.

here are your current receptions leaders not named broyles....see how many you can pick out:

Taylor Stubblefield, Purdue (2001-04): 316 catches / 3,433 yards
Josh Davis, Marshall (2001-04): 306 / 3,889
Taurean Henderson, Texas Tech (2002-05): 303 / 2,058
Arnold Jackson, Louisville (1997-00): 300 / 3,670
Trevor Insley, Nevada (1996-99): 298 / 5,005
Geoff Noisy, Nevada (1995-98): 295 / 4,249
Rashaun Woods, Oklahoma State (2000-03): 293 / 4,414
Davone Bess, Hawaii (2005-07): 293 / 3,610
Jason Rivers, Hawaii (2003-04): 06-07 292 / 3,919
Dorien Bryant, Purdue (2004-07): 292 / 3,548
Troy Edwards, Louisiana Tech (1996-98): 280 / 4,352
Darius Watts, Marshall (2000-03 272 / 4,031
Vincent Marshall, Houston (2003-06): 272 / 3,770
Aaron Turner, Pacific (1989-92): 266 / 4,345
Chad Mackey, Louisiana Tech (1993-96): 264 / 3,


yaaaaa........awesome......broyles was no where close to a need and mayhew himself said he made a mistake in judging our depth that year. He chose a wr that was never going to see the field over someone that could have had a productive year and contributed.

 

[LKP]

He was a slot receiver. It's not about coming back from the injury but the fact is cuts into his rookie year, ota's for example. It made no sense.

Injured players are taken ALL the time in Round 2 and 3. Every year. That is why alot of people drop. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.

You couldn't foreshadow what was to happen to Broyles. Broyles was taken with the future in mind but Burleson ended up getting hurt in 2012. Broyles played more and then got hurt in his other knee.

There was nothing wrong with that pick for future need at the time. Two injuries later and we still need a slot unfortunately

 

[mhughes0021]

Titus had a really good rookie year. I wonder why people always forget that.

48 catches, barely caught 50% of his targets and only 600 yards in a 5000 yard offense....."really good" is relative I guess.

 

[tomdalton22]

Injured players are taken ALL the time in Round 2 and 3. Every year. That is why alot of people drop. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.

You couldn't foreshadow what was to happen to Broyles. Broyles was taken with the future in mind but Burleson ended up getting hurt in 2012. Broyles played more and then got hurt in his other knee.

There was nothing wrong with that pick for future need at the time. Two injuries later and we still need a slot unfortunately

Teams that can afford to take risks on injured players should be the ones taking the risks. Teams like the Lions that have / had immediate needs should not be taking those types of risks. Best and Broyles were bad risks for a team like the Lions.

 

[LKP]

Teams that can afford to take risks on injured players should be the ones taking the risks. Teams like the Lions that have / had immediate needs should not be taking those types of risks. Best and Broyles were bad risks for a team like the Lions.

You don't draft based on need for the long term. Lions re-signed their playoff roster in the 2012 offseason, Best participated in OTAs prior to that draft, the extent of Delmas injury and was unknown and the utter DE play/Peterman guard play collapse was unknown at that time. The Lions had very little known holes going into 2012 other than CB2(losing Wright) and nickel CB and successor to Backus. Lions took 3 CBs in that draft and Reiff. Given Burlesons age and contract, Broyles was a future need pick too. Unforutnatley now we can't rely on him due to two freakish unknown injuries.

Guys recover from ACL injuries all the time in this league. Broyles was not injury prone at the time of the pick in a 4 year college career.

 

[mhughes0021]

Teams that can afford to take risks on injured players should be the ones taking the risks. Teams like the Lions that have / had immediate needs should not be taking those types of risks. Best and Broyles were bad risks for a team like the Lions.

best was worse cause we gave up picks to draft someone that was braindead. Leshoure was pretty awful too for the same reasons. Broyles was the worst as far as need and value. Its a pretty good argument which one was the real worst out of the 3. If you factor in Bests production it probably helps him.

 

[LKP]

best was worse cause we gave up picks to draft someone that was braindead. Leshoure was pretty awful too for the same reasons. Broyles was the worst as far as need and value. Its a pretty good argument which one was the real worst out of the 3. If you factor in Bests production it probably helps him.

Best we didn't give up any extra picks other than a 7th rounder. Turned early 2nd to a extra 1st and swapped 4ths and lost a 7th. You are braindead if you think we gave up a ton of picks for Best.

Broyles was future need and was the correct value too. Injury dropped him. We are talking later 2nd round pick here.

LeShoure gave up the 3rd and 4th and a swap of 5ths for the late 2nd. So lost one extra pick (4th).

 

[tomdalton22]

Best we didn't give up any extra picks other than a 7th rounder. Turned early 2nd to a extra 1st and swapped 4ths and lost a 7th. You are braindead if you think we gave up a ton of picks for Best.

Broyles was future need and was the correct value too. Injury dropped him. We are talking later 2nd round pick here.

LeShoure gave up the 3rd and 4th and a swap of 5ths for the late 2nd. So lost one extra pick (4th).

well....anything they gave up for these three was too much.

 

[LKP]

48 catches, barely caught 50% of his targets and only 600 yards in a 5000 yard offense....."really good" is relative I guess.

6 TDs, you left that out. Should be 7 but that review fiasco rule change they had to make at Lambeau. Came on in the second half of the year. Some really big catches for us in 2011. He wasn't expected to be a 1,000 yard rookie WR. In fact, we clearly didn't need him to be with everyone healthy (Calvin,Burleson and Pettigrew). Young did more than his part.

And like you said, the coaching staff used him incorrectly. That's not on Mayhew.

 

[LKP]

well....anything they gave up for these three was too much.

Best was worth it. Gamble but at the time the Lions really needed a playmaking RB. Concussions you can overcome them. He did for 22 games. It wasn't like it was the very next season. He made it through an entire season. Ernie Sims had a ton of concussion in college but never one while with the Lions. It's hit or miss.

At the time, all 4 of those picks were the correct choices based on value and need/future need.

The extent of Broyles injuries and Young's insanity was an unknown no matter what flags were out there.

 

[LKP]

And no matter the 2nd round hindsight misses, the good far outweighs the bad for Mayhew.


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