Best win of the year...

[wolverine304]

With rr coaching we probably would have lost to Nd, northwestern, maybe purdue, and lost 42-7 to mich st.

Sdsu might have been close as well

 

[hungry]

RR went 2-1 against ND
I think you let Denard run wild over NW and they go down
SDSU couldnt' stop Denard
RR would've beaten Purdue again with Denard
The games might have had different yards and points, but I still think the w's and the L's would've been the same
no way to tell, though

 

[wolverine304]

I think we got lucky last year with teams playing hurt. Purdue and Nd qbs were hurt. Did we play NW? If we did persa was hurt.

But like you said there's no way of know.

 

[hungry]

I think we got lucky last year with teams playing hurt. Purdue and Nd qbs were hurt. Did we play NW? If we did persa was hurt.

But like you said there's no way of know.

RR only coached against NW once, the first year...Michigan lost...but it was his first year...Things didn't improve much, but they did improve and I think that they would've beaten the same teams that he did last year...maybe not ND, but maybe.

 

[Michchamp]

RR went 2-1 against ND
I think you let Denard run wild over NW and they go down
SDSU couldnt' stop Denard
RR would've beaten Purdue again with Denard
The games might have had different yards and points, but I still think the w's and the L's would've been the same
no way to tell, though

I like how you claim the record would be the same, and then state there's no way to know. Why even assert it then?

our defense was absolute shit last year. they couldn't stop anyone. ND would've put up more points. NU would've kept scoring on us, same with Purdue. MSU would've destroyed us.

you are underestimating just how much the defense has improved, and how much of a difference that's made.

the offense is a lot better in the red zone, and our overall turnover margin is positive.

 

[redandguilty]

Excellent game from the Wolverines against a decent Purdue team.. What a farcry from the Dick Rod era when his joke team lost to a worse Purdue team at home.. Thank goodness he's gone..

Your avatar disturbs me.

 

[wolverine304]

Excellent game from the Wolverines against a decent Purdue team.. What a farcry from the Dick Rod era when his joke team lost to a worse Purdue team at home.. Thank goodness he's gone..

Your avatar disturbs me.

My gf saw it and said "that's fucking wrong" lol

 

[beez]

Would have been a big loss but was a good win. It's like that with a lot of game.

:Example...the Saints beating the Rams is a necessary win (a suppose to win)
Saints losing to the Rams is a huge loss.

 

[jever4321]

UM -DB's are Playing better this year. It's a combination of defensive coaching and player experience. As much as we like to bag on DickRod, he was stuck with first time starting QB's all 3 years, as well as youth on defense, throw in GERG rubbing stuffed animals in the players faces.... (Glad that era is over.)

I think the bottom line is that if DickRod could have fielded a defense like the one Mattison is fielding this year, he would have been way more successful.

 

[hungry]

RR went 2-1 against ND
I think you let Denard run wild over NW and they go down
SDSU couldnt' stop Denard
RR would've beaten Purdue again with Denard
The games might have had different yards and points, but I still think the w's and the L's would've been the same
no way to tell, though

I like how you claim the record would be the same, and then state there's no way to know. Why even assert it then?

our defense was absolute shit last year. they couldn't stop anyone. ND would've put up more points. NU would've kept scoring on us, same with Purdue. MSU would've destroyed us.

you are underestimating just how much the defense has improved, and how much of a difference that's made.

the offense is a lot better in the red zone, and our overall turnover margin is positive.

Nope. i will gladly agree with you and say that yards and points would be different, but I still think the results would've been the same.

You can say what you want, but RR beat ND the last 2 times he faced them. RR's MIchigan pretty much dominated Purdue in the rain last year. MSU only beat Michigan by winning in OT 2 years ago.

You're right. The D looks improved. I won't argue that. I agree completely. That doesn't mean that Michigan would've lost those games. I don't want to even talk about this RR crap, but no one will let it go. Fine. RR would've at least gone 7-5 this year. YOU probably think that his team would've gotten worse, but I think his team would've improved again slightly.

Michigan lost to MSU by 2 td's this season. Sure, they might have lost by more, but it still would've been a loss. I thought last year we didn't care about things like 'yards.'

To me, it seems entirely logical to assume that Michigan would've won the same games they won last year, except maybe going to Illinois. You probably think the team would revert to 3-9 form. You have your opinion and I have mine

Don't get all worked up now...

 

[Michchamp]

I never said the team would've reverted to 3-9 form.

Who's worked up? you're the one making stuff up now to create an argument.

I think 2010 was as good as it was going to get under RR, and we would've seen more of the same if DB didn't fire him to stop the Excuse Making: we'd have another 6 or 7 win season. judging him by his past performance, we'd probably be 5-3 now, or maybe 6-2 at best.

You didn't acknowledge the point that we only beat Purdue last year because they were playing a 3rd string RB at QB or whatever, and backups at most skill positions. They couldn't even hand the ball off without running into eachother in the backfield. They beat us in 2009 at home pretty easily when they were healthy.

I see our coaches are already suffering from the "Lloyd Carr syndrome": they turned the defense around so quickly, and have the offense playing better in terms of TOs and Red zone play that we're making the wins look easy... "even Rich Rod could win these games!"

YEAH RIGHT. He had three years to start 7-1 and he never came close. Through 8 games in 2010 we were 5-3.

 

[byco42]

They ran the ball. They stopped the run. Repeat the same formula for the next four games and M will end the reg season 11-1 and division champions.

 

[hungry]

I never said the team would've reverted to 3-9 form.

Who's worked up? you're the one making stuff up now to create an argument.

I think 2010 was as good as it was going to get under RR, and we would've seen more of the same if DB didn't fire him to stop the Excuse Making: we'd have another 6 or 7 win season. judging him by his past performance, we'd probably be 5-3 now, or maybe 6-2 at best.

You didn't acknowledge the point that we only beat Purdue last year because they were playing a 3rd string RB at QB or whatever, and backups at most skill positions. They couldn't even hand the ball off without running into eachother in the backfield. They beat us in 2009 at home pretty easily when they were healthy.

I see our coaches are already suffering from the "Lloyd Carr syndrome": they turned the defense around so quickly, and have the offense playing better in terms of TOs and Red zone play that we're making the wins look easy... "even Rich Rod could win these games!"

YEAH RIGHT. He had three years to start 7-1 and he never came close. Through 8 games in 2010 we were 5-3.

I seem to remember that they needed some last minute heroics and trick plays to beat RR the years that Purdue beat Michigan's RR team. I do remember that they had some injuries last year and Michigan did, as well, both on offense and defense. I guess other teams' inuries are all that matters in this discussion. You think the O is playing better, but they certainly aren't scoring as many points and Denard is throwing more interceptions.

As far as I'm concerned, he was fired more for his off-the-field antics,which were reprehensible, than being fired for his horrible won-loss record, but then again, I wasn't actively rooting for him to fail like you were.

Yes, we were 5-3 last year, the schedule was different, though, wasn't it? The losses and wins are still the exact same.

Do you think the Purdue win was the best of the year? A big win?

 

[hungry]

in 2009, Purdue won 38-36 when Michigan failed on a last second 2 point conversion which would've tied it, after Michigan led 24-10 at halftime...yep, easy win

in 2008, Purdue won 48-42 on the last play of the game, a hook and lateral pass that went for a td...yep, easy win

Both losses were horrible, because its Purdue, a MAC team in the B1G, but let's not act like Purdue kicked Michigan's butt.

 

[deathroh]

I see our coaches are already suffering from the "Lloyd Carr syndrome": they turned the defense around so quickly, and have the offense playing better in terms of TOs and Red zone play that we're making the wins look easy...

Huh?

2010 - 12 turnovers after 8 games
2011 - 14 turnovers after 8 games

2010 - 29-35 in rz, 26-35 td's in rz, 191 of 245 possible points
2011 - 31-35 in rz, 25-35 td's in rz, 193 of 245 possible points

Maybe you should leave this thread alone and keep studying MSU's schedule.

 

[TheVictors]

Defense is now ranked 35th .... compared to 110th'ish last year.

 

[hungry]

Defense is now ranked 35th .... compared to 110th'ish last year.

in yards, right?

Don't get me wrong. I'm elated with the coaching staff and the improvements in play. I am happy that there is no off-field bullshit to put up with every week from press conferences or some other crap. Recruiting looks to be doing better under the new coaching staff, even though, the 2012 class in still unsigned, so anything can happen. I'm glad that there was a coaching change and I am firmly behind Coach Hoke and his staff.

I just don't think there would be any difference in wins and losses right now. The future definitely looks brighter, though.

None of this makes Purdue a big game, though.

 

[deathroh]

True, but those two extra red zone points have been huge. The coaches really came through there.

 

[Michchamp]

I see our coaches are already suffering from the "Lloyd Carr syndrome": they turned the defense around so quickly, and have the offense playing better in terms of TOs and Red zone play that we're making the wins look easy...

Huh?

2010 - 12 turnovers after 8 games
2011 - 14 turnovers after 8 games

2010 - 29-35 in rz, 26-35 td's in rz, 191 of 245 possible points
2011 - 31-35 in rz, 25-35 td's in rz, 193 of 245 possible points

Maybe you should leave this thread alone and keep studying MSU's schedule.

the other figure I saw measuring RZ play measured it differently than you did there. I was looking at the stats on the NCAA's website.

and the turnover margin is what I meant, even though I lumped that in with the offense. that might still be inaccurate; not sure what it was through 8 games LY, but I know overall we were negative (and near the bottom of the NCAA); this year we're positive.

 

[Michchamp]

Defense is now ranked 35th .... compared to 110th'ish last year.

that's in YPG.

They're even better in scoring defense, and in redzone defense, right now we're #1 in the country. Or we were the last time I checked (last night on NCAA.org).