Building via Draft

[zoombabyzoom]

If you compare Mayhew's drafting to the other teams in the league as far as talent goes, he actually falls around the 9-12 range. Which overall is better than half the league.

And I think everyone can stand by his free agency pickups as by in large they have done well.

 

[mhughes0021]

If you compare Mayhew's drafting to the other teams in the league as far as talent goes, he actually falls around the 9-12 range. Which overall is better than half the league.

And I think everyone can stand by his free agency pickups as by in large they have done well.

SOooo he drafts top 10 and hes done well in FA. And that equates to being sub .500 in the worst division in football last year? YAAAAaaaaa, something doesn't quite add up there. Not to mention how many times hes actually drafted in the top 10 in the draft and he still cant put quality drafts together...makes it kind of hard to fuck up when youre drafting that high....unless your just absolutely pathetic at yor job.

His "talent"ed picks youre referring to mostly played undisciplined, uninspired football that likely paid them much more than what they were worth statistically.

FA pickups are few and far between with Tulloch and Bush being the only 2 I can think of that actually produced at a level they were supposed to. KVB and Nate were overpaid to come in and change the culture of one of the losingest franchises in football.....by the time they were done here both were glorified cheerleaders making WAYYYYYY too much....and ya....they didn't have much effect on the culture....were still losers.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

SOooo he drafts top 10 and hes done well in FA. And that equates to being sub .500 in the worst division in football last year? YAAAAaaaaa, something doesn't quite add up there. Not to mention how many times hes actually drafted in the top 10 in the draft and he still cant put quality drafts together...makes it kind of hard to fuck up when youre drafting that high....unless your just absolutely pathetic at yor job.

His "talent"ed picks youre referring to mostly played undisciplined, uninspired football that likely paid them much more than what they were worth statistically.

FA pickups are few and far between with Tulloch and Bush being the only 2 I can think of that actually produced at a level they were supposed to. KVB and Nate were overpaid to come in and change the culture of one of the losingest franchises in football.....by the time they were done here both were glorified cheerleaders making WAYYYYYY too much....and ya....they didn't have much effect on the culture....were still losers.

LOL Hughes is angry

 

[sggatecl]

I think I speak for most of this board when I say Hughes and LKP should make an avatar wager.

If the Lions go 9-7 or better, Hughes has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is a genius".

If the Lions go 8-8 or worse, LKP has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is an idiot".

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think I speak for most of this board when I say Hughes and LKP should make an avatar wager.

If the Lions go 9-7 or better, Hughes has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is a genius".

If the Lions go 8-8 or worse, LKP has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is an idiot".

Sounds good to me. But we're better than the Seahawks so it's a no-brainer we win more than 9.

 

[Mitchrapp]

LOL Hughes is angry

But he is right about a lot. A GM who is ranked 9-12 yet his record (not counting the 0-16) is 29-51. Now he did get a bad team but I've seen other bad teams turn it around quickly.

9-12 doesn't match a 29-51 with no playoff success. It just doesn't match up..

 

[lgolfer]

I think I speak for most of this board when I say Hughes and LKP should make an avatar wager.

If the Lions go 9-7 or better, Hughes has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is a genius".

If the Lions go 8-8 or worse, LKP has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is an idiot".

Sounds great!

 

[mhughes0021]

I think I speak for most of this board when I say Hughes and LKP should make an avatar wager.

If the Lions go 9-7 or better, Hughes has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is a genius".

If the Lions go 8-8 or worse, LKP has to use an avatar that says "Mayhew is an idiot".

even an idiot should be able to win 10 games every couple years in the parity filled NFL.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

But he is right about a lot. A GM who is ranked 9-12 yet his record (not counting the 0-16) is 29-51. Now he did get a bad team but I've seen other bad teams turn it around quickly.

9-12 doesn't match a 29-51 with no playoff success. It just doesn't match up..

And the GM isn't the only thing that determines a good team. Far from it. Thats just generalizing it. I'm not saying Mayhew has done great, but he is in the top half of the NFL.

I'm not gonna glorify Mayhew and say he has hit on everything cause he hasn't. Even the best GMs usually miss on over 50% of their moves. But, I'm not gonna be the "woe is me typical negative Lions fan" either and be as negative as I can about the team and anything that happens. I'm gonna look at both sides of the table equally and make my decision on things. Not jump to super negative ideas or positive ones'

How I expect this post to be received: Positive Lions fans that think everything of the team will kinda agree but say Mayhew is better. Negative Lions fans will probably throw the book at me, make arguments and maybe an insult. Other fans that maybe aren't the strongest of fans will probably side with me because its the neutral.

 

[mhughes0021]

And the GM isn't the only thing that determines a good team. Far from it. Thats just generalizing it. I'm not saying Mayhew has done great, but he is in the top half of the NFL.

I'm not gonna glorify Mayhew and say he has hit on everything cause he hasn't. Even the best GMs usually miss on over 50% of their moves. But, I'm not gonna be the "woe is me typical negative Lions fan" either and be as negative as I can about the team and anything that happens. I'm gonna look at both sides of the table equally and make my decision on things. Not jump to super negative ideas or positive ones'

How I expect this post to be received: Positive Lions fans that think everything of the team will kinda agree but say Mayhew is better. Negative Lions fans will probably throw the book at me, make arguments and maybe an insult. Other fans that maybe aren't the strongest of fans will probably side with me because its the neutral.

I don't insult people that don't deserve it its your opinion....and I can respect a lot of people that have differing opinions than me on this board. I just find my case to be startlingly obvious and the graph above and list of players further strengthens that case. 16 of the 27 drafted are from the last 2 years. and out of that 16 only 4 are starters....and that's only if a punter counts as a "starter." The 2010 and 2011 drafts are completely inexcusable if youre a GM.

Then theres the results: We finished 3rd in a very poor division behind 2 back up qbs all while starting our nearly 100 million dollar qb every single game. blame it on the coaches you say?...welp, mayhew picked the coach and his staff. Mayhew got his coaching staff fired.

Now im sure youll say im just being negative. But theres a big difference between just stating fact....and others perceiving the facts to be negative.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And the GM isn't the only thing that determines a good team. Far from it. Thats just generalizing it. I'm not saying Mayhew has done great, but he is in the top half of the NFL.

I'm not gonna glorify Mayhew and say he has hit on everything cause he hasn't. Even the best GMs usually miss on over 50% of their moves. But, I'm not gonna be the "woe is me typical negative Lions fan" either and be as negative as I can about the team and anything that happens. I'm gonna look at both sides of the table equally and make my decision on things. Not jump to super negative ideas or positive ones'

How I expect this post to be received: Positive Lions fans that think everything of the team will kinda agree but say Mayhew is better. Negative Lions fans will probably throw the book at me, make arguments and maybe an insult. Other fans that maybe aren't the strongest of fans will probably side with me because its the neutral.

There's the GM, the HC (in which the GM hires) and the players (in which the GM acquires).

If it's not mostly the GM then I'm lost.

 

[LKP]

The problem is hughes you don't think about the situation at the time and what Mayhew can control. He can't control injuries (Delmas,Best,Broyles). And the extent of Titus Young's problems was a complete unknown. Being a young immature guy is much different (some good college players were the same thing) than serious mental problems (that may have been triggered with a concussion or just Young not taking the proper medication).

There are tons of guys who had one injury in college and didn't have injuries in the NFL. And 2010 Best was the right call (Lions desperately needed playmakers), 2010 draft there was a ton of good trades for good players (CW,Rob Sims, Houston 2010-2012,Shaun Hill).

At the time, Schwartz was a good proper hire. He was an up and coming smart DC. He wasn't a head coach yet so he didn't get to show his full d-bag side. He had to be the good guy under Fisher. Or Fisher just didn't care. And Schwartz got his extension AFTER a playoff year BEFORE 2012. Bad timing if anything but with his contract running out, makes sense not to make him a lame duck guy. Linehan is a good OC for a lot of things. Making a veteran QB better is something he lacks though. There was lots of offensive production for Linehan when not hindered with injuries. And Gunther was a Schartz guy all the way. The coach chooses his coaching staff with suggestions from the GM. Schwartz/Gunther were buddies but the experience of Gunther was needed with Schwartz being a new HC. EVERYONE was excited by that coaching staff in 2009-2011.

And you didn't read my listing by year correctly with a big picture in mind. The Lions are set at 21 of 22 important positions (includes nickel CB and third WR but not FB) is the take from that. They only need a 3rd WR (and it would be nice if someone could take over for Calvin if he got hurt).

 

[cheeno]

Negative Lions fans will probably throw the book at me, make arguments and maybe an insult.

 

[tomdalton22]

The problem is hughes you don't think about the situation at the time and what Mayhew can control. He can't control injuries (Delmas,Best,Broyles). And the extent of Titus Young's problems was a complete unknown. Being a young immature guy is much different (some good college players were the same thing) than serious mental problems (that may have been triggered with a concussion or just Young not taking the proper medication).

There are tons of guys who had one injury in college and didn't have injuries in the NFL. And 2010 Best was the right call (Lions desperately needed playmakers), 2010 draft there was a ton of good trades for good players (CW,Rob Sims, Houston 2010-2012,Shaun Hill).

At the time, Schwartz was a good proper hire. He was an up and coming smart DC. He wasn't a head coach yet so he didn't get to show his full d-bag side. He had to be the good guy under Fisher. Or Fisher just didn't care. And Schwartz got his extension AFTER a playoff year BEFORE 2012. Bad timing if anything but with his contract running out, makes sense not to make him a lame duck guy. Linehan is a good OC for a lot of things. Making a veteran QB better is something he lacks though. There was lots of offensive production for Linehan when not hindered with injuries. And Gunther was a Schartz guy all the way. The coach chooses his coaching staff with suggestions from the GM. Schwartz/Gunther were buddies but the experience of Gunther was needed with Schwartz being a new HC. EVERYONE was excited by that coaching staff in 2009-2011.

And you didn't read my listing by year correctly with a big picture in mind. The Lions are set at 21 of 22 important positions (includes nickel CB and third WR but not FB) is the take from that. They only need a 3rd WR (and it would be nice if someone could take over for Calvin if he got hurt).

Best was a terrible pick. A team that is desperate shouldn't gamble.

Extending Swartz was stupid as well. They got off to a good start but really stumbled in the second 1/2 of 2011.

 

[LKP]

Best was a terrible pick. A team that is desperate shouldn't gamble.

Extending Swartz was stupid as well. They got off to a good start but really stumbled in the second 1/2 of 2011.

They won 3 of their last 4 in 2011 to make the playoffs despite a ton of injuries (Best,Delmas,Houston,Berry,Spievey). They didn't stumble in the end. Plus the Lions never made the playoffs, at the time you extend a coach who can actually get the Lions to the playoffs.

Best talent wise was exactly what the Lions needed. Concussions are tough to predict and using Round 2 picks/swapping 4ths is when you do make those type of gambles. That's the only reason he was late Round 1 and available. 22 games concussion free. And LeShoure was a high pick too and an unknown going into 2012. And we had Bell who did well. So you don't add a RB even with Best up in the air. People would have went ape shit if we drafted a RB high in 2012. Best participated in OTAS in 2012 as well.

 

[tomdalton22]

They won 3 of their last 4 in 2011 to make the playoffs despite a ton of injuries (Best,Delmas,Houston,Berry,Spievey). They didn't stumble in the end. Plus the Lions never made the playoffs, at the time you extend a coach who can actually get the Lions to the playoffs.

Best talent wise was exactly what the Lions needed. Concussions are tough to predict and using Round 2 picks/swapping 4ths is when you do make those type of gambles. That's the only reason he was late Round 1 and available. 22 games concussion free. And LeShoure was a high pick too and an unknown going into 2012. And we had Bell who did well. So you don't add a RB even with Best up in the air. People would have went ape shit if we drafted a RB high in 2012. Best participated in OTAS in 2012 as well.

They started 5-0 then proceeded to lose 7 of their next 12 games.

Best didn't only have a concussion....he damn near died on the field! It wasn't one of those plays where he just "rung his bell".

 

[michiganalex]

i gave schwartz the benefit of the doubt after the first collapse but the second one says he had to go

 

[LKP]

They started 5-0 then proceeded to lose 7 of their next 12 games.

Best didn't only have a concussion....he damn near died on the field! It wasn't one of those plays where he just "rung his bell".

Bests talent was still worth the gamble no matter how bad the concussion. It earned us a playoff berth.

I feel they truly won at GB and San Fran and would have done much better on Thanksgiving if Houston/Delmas didn't get hurt in the early 2nd Quarter. Plus like I said the 3-1 finish showed good things. They didn't fall apart in 2011. They earned the playoffs the hard way and Stafford/Linehan adjusted well to life without Best (teams then figured this out for 2012 so we needed Bush in 2013). Going into 2012, Schwartz deserved an extension.

 

[tomdalton22]

Bests talent was still worth the gamble no matter how bad the concussion. It earned us a playoff berth.

I feel they truly won at GB and San Fran and would have done much better on Thanksgiving if Houston/Delmas didn't get hurt in the early 2nd Quarter. Plus like I said the 3-1 finish showed good things. They didn't fall apart in 2011. They earned the playoffs the hard way and Stafford/Linehan adjusted well to life without Best (teams then figured this out for 2012 so we needed Bush in 2013). Going into 2012, Schwartz deserved an extension.

lol...they truly won at GB and SF. You never quit!

 

[LKP]

lol...they truly won at GB and SF. You never quit!

I watched the games multiple times. I know when we got screwed and when we outplay a team.