Building via Draft

[tomdalton22]

I watched the games multiple times. I know when we got screwed and when we outplay a team.

that's your problem. You watch these games over and over LOOKING for examples where the Lions could have or should have done better and come to the conclusion that they "deserved" to win.

 

[LKP]

that's your problem. You watch these games over and over LOOKING for examples where the Lions could have or should have done better and come to the conclusion that they "deserved" to win.

Conclusion is what it is. I note the Lions bad plays too when I watch. There are several games where they lost and deserved to lose. Atlanta, at New Orleans (reg season) and at Chicago.

I watched 2008 twice and it just pissed me off other than Calvin, Dan O a couple games, Backus solid that year and Avril flashes.

I have no problem telling you this team sucked under Millen and 2009 and missing pieces in 2010. And that they were solid in the 90s but never had a QB.

 

[sggatecl]

Do you note when the other teams make mistakes too? You act as if the Lions are the only team that shoots itself in the foot and that the other team played flawless. It works both ways.

 

[brewer229]

You can't say if this didn't happen then we would of won or lost. Unless it is the final play of the game. Every call and play changes what is called next. So if the lions should of had a drive extended because of a PI call, you have no way of knowing what would of happened if they got that call. Hypothetically stafford could of lead a TD drive, or he could of thrown a pick six the next play.

 

[LKP]

Do you note when the other teams make mistakes too? You act as if the Lions are the only team that shoots itself in the foot and that the other team played flawless. It works both ways.

I do. Most of NFL games are about mistakes of one team and another capitalizing but sometimes a team forces mistakes. Lions have a ton of talent and can be unstoppable on offense. Defense is good at getting stops (see 3rd down %) but they don't capitalize on enough mistakes (they force plenty but don't get the recoveries or picks).

But sometimes it's so egredious you have to note it. Like the block in the back and bad spot of 5 yards by the refs on the 49ers punt return at the end of the game and Best last game after he was making some big plays. Lions outplayed them but the refs even things up. I note when the Lions catch a break too in these games. Overall though the Lions are on the losing end of the breaks gained.

Another thing about that 49ers game. Hanson missing a FG late first half and Akers, yes Akers nailing a long one. Akers screws us both ways. That's a 6 point swing. Based on what the Lions D and O did, they deserved the 3 points not the 49ers. And Hanson is a better kicker than Akers by far. But Akers made the kick.

 

[LKP]

You can't say if this didn't happen then we would of won or lost. Unless it is the final play of the game. Every call and play changes what is called next. So if the lions should of had a drive extended because of a PI call, you have no way of knowing what would of happened if they got that call. Hypothetically stafford could of lead a TD drive, or he could of thrown a pick six the next play.

It is much much much less likely they lose but momentum plays a factor too. Yes they could have had a pick 6 but they probably get 3 points at least. Talking most likely scenarios. 3 points for Lions is most likely, then 7, then pick 6 or fumble lost.

 

[brewer229]

It is much much much less likely they lose but momentum plays a factor too. Yes they could have had a pick 6 but they probably get 3 points at least. Talking most likely scenarios. 3 points for Lions is most likely, then 7, then pick 6 or fumble lost.

My examples are extreme, but say the lions get a field goal, that changes the other teams next possession. So to say it cost us wins is foolish.

Besides the Lions caught two huge breaks, Rodgers and Cutler were hurt. Most teams do not get that lucky to have their two main division rivals lose their starting QB for an extended period of time. Lions most likely will not catch that break again.

Over 16 games you are what your record says your are. The lions were not a playoff team last year and it showed.

 

[LKP]

My examples are extreme, but say the lions get a field goal, that changes the other teams next possession. So to say it cost us wins is foolish.

Besides the Lions caught two huge breaks, Rodgers and Cutler were hurt. Most teams do not get that lucky to have their two main division rivals lose their starting QB for an extended period of time. Lions most likely will not catch that break again.

Over 16 games you are what your record says your are. The lions were not a playoff team last year and it showed.

Packers got huge breaks too. Calvin got hurt for 2 division games plus limited in others (among many other Lions injuries) Burleson 7, Broyles 8, Ansah 2.5+, Bentley 3.5, Jones 12.5, Quin .5 game, Bush 2.5, Fairley 1, Pettigrew 2, Reiff .5 game, Waddle 3, Houston 4+, Mathis 1, Slay 4, Delmas slowed down with his knees. One Calvin miss against a healthy Packer team. In the 9 losses, Lions were the more hurt team in 7 of their losses. That's a huge break for Chicago and Green Bay.

McCown outplayed Cutler in 2013 in that offense. It hurt Detroit having McCown play.

And it's not over 16 games. Each game puts a mark good or bad in your record. Each game is different. If the Lions didn't get screwed in some games it's obvious they would have had a better record. Lions were much better than a 7-9 team.

 

[brewer229]

Lions were in the bottom half of the league in games missed by starters. Lions starters missed 41 games. League average was mid 50s. Green Bay missed 70.

 

[LKP]

Lions were in the bottom half of the league in games missed by starters. Lions starters missed 41 games. League average was mid 50s. Green Bay missed 70.

Well they started 6-3 and were pretty healthy missing just Burleson (Bush/Fariley in a loss) and (Burleson, some Oline in another) and were way more hurt GB game. The Lions injuries were concentrated mainly to the second half. And 1-6 finish.

And again, it's a game by game thing. The Lions were the more injured team in 7 of 9 losses.

GB had way more injuries overall but Week 5, GB was the healthier team that day by far.

 

[LKP]

For example, Lions beat a healthy Bears team in Week 4 other than Melton (Lions missing Burleson and Jones). Week 10 against Chicago, Cutler played hurt and missing Melton and Briggs. Well Lions were missing WR 2 and 3 that day, both starting DEs(Ansah/Jones) and their nickel CB(Bentley). Pretty even there. Stafford even gifted the Bears with a pick inside the redzone and the Lions defense showed up big holding to a FG and again on the 2 point conversion after a bonehead play by the backup Lions DE Willie Young. And Akers missed a FG that day.

Week 5 Lions missing WR 1 and 2 (best player), missing Waddle and one starting DE in Jones. That's a huge blow to the offense and we easily score more than 9 points if the Lions have those guys. Packers missing Bulaga and Heyward. Packers were healthier.

Thanksgiving, Packers defense was healthy but Heyward but the Lions moved up and down the field at will on GB. Rodgers, Cobb,Bulaga,Finley plus EDS got hurt mid game. Definitely hurt the Packers offense scoring only 3 but Houston and Jones were missing too.

Would the Packers have swept or would the Lions have swept if healthier Week 13 and Week 5 respectively. We don't know. 22-9 is closer than 40-10 is all I know.

 

[jdeb]

All I know is that they had the division in the bag and blew it. No execuses.

 

[brewer229]

Seems to be very little correlation between having a lot of success and having a lot of draftees in your team. If you look at the top teams they are scattered throughout the chart.

Honestly still comes down to having one of two things: Dominate defense or elite QB. The rest doesn't really matter. You have one of those you will be successful.

 

[tomdalton22]

Seems to be very little correlation between having a lot of success and having a lot of draftees in your team. If you look at the top teams they are scattered throughout the chart.

Honestly still comes down to having one of two things: Dominate defense or elite QB. The rest doesn't really matter. You have one of those you will be successful.

I think the more accurate way to track draft success is the number of starters and the number of players on the roster that were drafted after the first round.

 

[mhughes0021]

that's your problem. You watch these games over and over LOOKING for examples where the Lions could have or should have done better and come to the conclusion that they "deserved" to win.

Yet he never talks about the 3 games we miraculously won the playoff year. Never should have beat Dallas. Never should have made the playoffs. Schwartz wouldnt have got his extension. Mayhew might not still be here....the world would be a better place.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Won in '57. Next playoff win, 34 years later in '91. It's now been 22 more years so I predict we win a playoff game in 2025. So every 34 years..

You don't go through something like that because of bad luck, unfortunate injuries etc.. The organization is inept or we have a curse.

 

[grandy]

I would say the organization is just inept.

Hopefully somebody records Bill Ford Jr going on a racist rant so we can get a brand new set of owners.

 

[dubbsco]

LKP, I don't post here often, but I read the board a lot. Why do you work so hard to defend the Lions organization, and make excuses for why they have not succeeded? This franchise is one of the biggest jokes in the NFL for a reason. Their management is inept, the ownership is terrible, and the team has played like bone heads since I was able to comprehend what football is.

Mayhew is an okay GM. He's done some positive things, but he's done some really head-scratching things as well. You cannot justify an A+ for him. If he was an A+ GM, they would have shown improvement and made a lot of noise in the playoffs. They have done neither.

 

[jdeb]

LKP, I don't post here often, but I read the board a lot. Why do you work so hard to defend the Lions organization, and make excuses for why they have not succeeded? This franchise is one of the biggest jokes in the NFL for a reason. Their management is inept, the ownership is terrible, and the team has played like bone heads since I was able to comprehend what football is.

Mayhew is an okay GM. He's done some positive things, but he's done some really head-scratching things as well. You cannot justify an A+ for him. If he was an A+ GM, they would have shown improvement and made a lot of noise in the playoffs. They have done neither.

Because he thinks he is the quintessential fan by being positive and spitting out ridiculous over-evaluations and boring excuses for losing.

I consider myself a real fan. I hate this team and organization for how they rape the NFL Brand just to sell vehicles and I still watch every game. I just don't buy season tickets anymore.