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buyers or sellers?
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Rebbiv
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byco42
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All I see there are two guys in denial.
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We all are. Some of my opinions ain't that popular either. lol ok... most
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http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...avid-price-yoenis-cespedes-rajai-davis-072115
Even with a team-record payroll of over $170 million, the Tigers lack a postseason-caliber pitching staff.
Even with a team-record payroll of over $170 million, the Tigers lack a postseason-caliber pitching staff.
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Verlander is done. And to be honest, I think a lot of it has to do with his attitude. He can't acknowledge that he has a long way to return. It's always, "one bad inning." "I'm feeling good." How about just coming out and saying, "My stuff isn't there, I have a ways to go."
And all these people think it's a piece of cake to re-invent himself, constantly citing Frank Tanana. For every guy that manages to fix their career, about 10 others can't. A guy like JV who lives on overpowering batters can't just flip the switch and become a cutter/curve type guy. He is who he is, and his mentality won't allow change.
And all these people think it's a piece of cake to re-invent himself, constantly citing Frank Tanana. For every guy that manages to fix their career, about 10 others can't. A guy like JV who lives on overpowering batters can't just flip the switch and become a cutter/curve type guy. He is who he is, and his mentality won't allow change.
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Maybe Verlander should learn the knuckleball.
I think people just make it out to be so easy. Players are who they are. Near the end of Ben Wallace's time in Detroit, he wasn't as good as helpside defense, he slowed down. Did the coaching staff say, "hey, you need to learn a jump shot now." I play a ton of pick up basketball, I'm a shooter and occasional driver. I'm not going to ever become a post-up guy. People are who they are.
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I suppose it is what your expectations are. Rarely, in today's MLB, does a starter become a CY Young recipient after the age of 30. Most end up hurt and never fully recover. Cliff Lee, Johan Santana, Pedro Martinez, Jake Peavy, Tim Lincecum, etc, etc.
Yes, Randy Johnson is an exception. And while Greg Maddux was good past 30, he last won his 4th CYA at age 29.
Do I expect Verlander to be a CY pitcher? No. But given the right attitude and time, I think he can recover enough to be an effective pitcher. I actually think he should be put as a closer for a year or two (ala Smoltz, Dempster, etc).
Bottom line. I have no proof or evidence to my beliefs. I just think given time and attitude he could become viable again.
Yes, Randy Johnson is an exception. And while Greg Maddux was good past 30, he last won his 4th CYA at age 29.
Do I expect Verlander to be a CY pitcher? No. But given the right attitude and time, I think he can recover enough to be an effective pitcher. I actually think he should be put as a closer for a year or two (ala Smoltz, Dempster, etc).
Bottom line. I have no proof or evidence to my beliefs. I just think given time and attitude he could become viable again.
I can't disagree with your notion. I think he can be valuable again too. Just not as a starter. He's done as a starter. He doesn't have the stuff to get through 6,7 innings anymore. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a relief pitcher/closer. That way he wouldn't have to reinvent himself.
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This thread is depressing.
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Think of Justin. All that money due him.
Perfect storm. Cubs have the #1 farm system (mainly due to their hitting prospects) in baseball and we have the #1 free agent pitcher.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84040488/
1.*Chicago Cubs
Take a moment to recover from your surprise ...*The past 12 months have seemed more like a coronation for the Cubs than one for the teams that actually played in the World Series. The hype around their system is justified by the talent in it, with the strongest collection of top-shelf hitting prospects I can remember since I started working in baseball. They have someone coming at just about every position other than catcher and first base, and most of them fare well both in traditional evaluation and in analysis of their performance to date.
The Cubs' draft strategy under the Theo Epstein/Jed Hoyer regime has been to grab a polished hitter in the first round and load up on arms later. That, along with the trade of*Jeff Samardzija*and*Jason Hammel*that netted two more top hitting prospects, has produced a system that's full of hitting prospects but still a bit light on the pitching side. The first wave of bats reached the majors in the middle of 2014, with more coming this year, but there won't be enough at-bats for*Javier Baez*and*Jorge Soler*and*Arismendy Alcantara*and Addison Russell and Kyle Schwarber and*Starlin Castro*and*Anthony Rizzo*... and that's not even everyone who might end up pushing for playing time. The Cubs are in prime position to flip a young hitter for a pitcher or even to swing a bigger deal, especially if they want to try to set themselves up to win the NL Central in 2016. There are young starting pitching prospects here to like, led by 20-year-old Duane Underwood, but they're all a few years away.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84040488/
1.*Chicago Cubs
Take a moment to recover from your surprise ...*The past 12 months have seemed more like a coronation for the Cubs than one for the teams that actually played in the World Series. The hype around their system is justified by the talent in it, with the strongest collection of top-shelf hitting prospects I can remember since I started working in baseball. They have someone coming at just about every position other than catcher and first base, and most of them fare well both in traditional evaluation and in analysis of their performance to date.
The Cubs' draft strategy under the Theo Epstein/Jed Hoyer regime has been to grab a polished hitter in the first round and load up on arms later. That, along with the trade of*Jeff Samardzija*and*Jason Hammel*that netted two more top hitting prospects, has produced a system that's full of hitting prospects but still a bit light on the pitching side. The first wave of bats reached the majors in the middle of 2014, with more coming this year, but there won't be enough at-bats for*Javier Baez*and*Jorge Soler*and*Arismendy Alcantara*and Addison Russell and Kyle Schwarber and*Starlin Castro*and*Anthony Rizzo*... and that's not even everyone who might end up pushing for playing time. The Cubs are in prime position to flip a young hitter for a pitcher or even to swing a bigger deal, especially if they want to try to set themselves up to win the NL Central in 2016. There are young starting pitching prospects here to like, led by 20-year-old Duane Underwood, but they're all a few years away.
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Do it... Raid the cubs !!!!
There are lots of things that are depressing this thread is just one of them..
Read the recent team thread posts tonight from KC...Mr I may just let the kids do whatever they want to do with it..this is a very sad night..it's been a very sad disappointing season. It has now fully sunk in that this run is over and it's very depressing
I really hate this
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ausmus-makes-case-tigers-press-002111018--mlb.html
''I know everyone wants it to be a big story, because the Tigers have been so successful, that all of a sudden they're at .500 with the trade deadline looming - it's a big story to say that the Tigers are sellers,'' the second-year manager said. ''I don't consider four games out of playoff position a selling position.''
''You put together a team for 162 games. You don't put together a team for two thirds of the season,'' Ausmus said. ''We're two-thirds of the way through a six-month season.''
Denial.....a river in Africa.
DET is 46-47 and absolutely has the worst record in the AL since May 16th at 23-33 .411 WPCT. They have yet to go on any significant winning streaks since starting 11-2. Their 35-45 record since opening 11-2 is better than BOS's 34-47, but not by much.
BOS and DET are the only two teams to give up more than 375 runs since April 20th. DET has given up 407 runs in 80 games (5.09 R/G) and BOS has given up 384 runs in 81 games (4.74 R/G).
Pitching has killed this team. Price, Simon and Soria are Free Agents. Who are the starters in 2016? Sanchez, Verlander, Greene, Ryan and Farmer? What about a closer? Jimenez is too young and needs more time to develop. The Tigers are terrible at rushing your pitchers.
''I know everyone wants it to be a big story, because the Tigers have been so successful, that all of a sudden they're at .500 with the trade deadline looming - it's a big story to say that the Tigers are sellers,'' the second-year manager said. ''I don't consider four games out of playoff position a selling position.''
''You put together a team for 162 games. You don't put together a team for two thirds of the season,'' Ausmus said. ''We're two-thirds of the way through a six-month season.''
Denial.....a river in Africa.
DET is 46-47 and absolutely has the worst record in the AL since May 16th at 23-33 .411 WPCT. They have yet to go on any significant winning streaks since starting 11-2. Their 35-45 record since opening 11-2 is better than BOS's 34-47, but not by much.
BOS and DET are the only two teams to give up more than 375 runs since April 20th. DET has given up 407 runs in 80 games (5.09 R/G) and BOS has given up 384 runs in 81 games (4.74 R/G).
Pitching has killed this team. Price, Simon and Soria are Free Agents. Who are the starters in 2016? Sanchez, Verlander, Greene, Ryan and Farmer? What about a closer? Jimenez is too young and needs more time to develop. The Tigers are terrible at rushing your pitchers.
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The Tigers are in a truly unique position, in a trade market that is incredibly thin in a league with more teams buying than ever near the trade deadline we have the top pitcher, hitter, and reliever on the market and they all have expiring contracts. It's going to be a bidding war and someone is going to wildly overpay for each of them. Heck, Alex Avila will bring something decent in return.
We're in a position to completely makeover our team by trading a bunch of guys who would be gone next year anyways. Just an incredible opportunity, let's hope DD doesn't screw it up. In this year, with this many teams looking for help, I think people are going to be shocked at what we get.
We're in a position to completely makeover our team by trading a bunch of guys who would be gone next year anyways. Just an incredible opportunity, let's hope DD doesn't screw it up. In this year, with this many teams looking for help, I think people are going to be shocked at what we get.
Blow it up. This is the year to do it.
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