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[Spartanmack]

Alex Jones could definitely use a few more crazy black faces on his show.

What about that governor of Virginia Northam?

And that crazy bitch from the View, Joy Behar?

She is definitely one crazy black face.

and that guy that runs Canada, Justin Trudeau

 

[Michchamp]

because what you read is a watered down wikipedia explanation of what critical race theory is which was edited to make it seem less caustic and less full of shit and what you believe isn't supported by documented evidence, historical or current. It's not unified by the idea that white supremacy exists, it states that the legal and constitutional system is white supremacist and makes racial equality in the US impossible. The idea that the white supremacy is the order that dominates America and is kept in place by the laws of the United States is complete and utter nonsense. It's not based on facts.

The idea behind critical race theory and the 1619 Project is to divide the US into groups based on the immutable characteristic of skin color. This has been co-upted and expanded to include things like gender, sexuality, religion, etc. It assigns collective guilt or victimhood based on group identity and where that groups stands on the hierarchy of virtue. Nothing in America is merit based - it all comes down to group identity, everyone in a particular group is the same and shares the same guilt, privilege, victim status, etc.
Proponents of it declare anyone who opposes this utter stupidity to be a bigoted reactionary, your positions are determined not on the merits and evidence but rather your group identity. It's patently absurd, ahistorical and has no place in our society and especially in our schools.

The wikipedia article cites several authors and proponents of critical race theory, so when you say things like "The idea behind critical race theory and the 1619 Project is to divide the US into groups based on the immutable characteristic of skin color." is that your opinion or is there an actual written policy or "Critical Race Theory" textbook these schools are going to use?

How many school districts were actually going to implement "critical race theory" anyways?

There's no way this is just the most recent iteration of the Right wing's constant moral-panic fever dreams, like "Transgender men are ruining women's sports" is it?

 

[Spartanmack]

What is opinion?

There's no racism in the US and black people just made all that stuff about slavery, lynchings, jim crow laws, segregation, poll taxes, redlining, and police abuse up?

where you learned all about the fact that there were only a couple native people here when the pilgrims arrived, they welcomed the Pilgrims with open arms, and traded their land away in transactions they fully understood the nature of.

sure there might have been a battle or two, but eventually they willingly moved to reservations, where they got rich opening casinos, so it was by and large a great deal for them.

there you go making up arguments no one has ever put forth on this forum to make your position seem more reasonable. If only there was a word for that type of argument...

 

[Spartanmack]

The wikipedia article cites several authors and proponents of critical race theory, so when you say things like "The idea behind critical race theory and the 1619 Project is to divide the US into groups based on the immutable characteristic of skin color." is that your opinion or is there an actual written policy or "Critical Race Theory" textbook these schools are going to use?

How many school districts were actually going to implement "critical race theory" anyways?

There's no way this is just the most recent iteration of the Right wing's constant moral-panic fever dreams, like "Transgender men are ruining women's sports" is it?

how would describe a theory that says that the US is a product of white supremacy as structured and that structure makes civil rights and racial equality impossible? that there is no merit based outcomes, your lot in life is defined by your group identity? Read Derek Bell's work. He's the guy who created Critical Race Theory.

It's gaining momentum. School districts all over the country are implementing it. It's in elite private schools in NY, it's in public schools in NY and NJ. It's spreading and it needs to be stopped before it's too late. I don't believe you don't know this - same with the transgender issue. I think you know this is gaining steam and you support it so you prefer to play it down and let it grow until it's too late to stop it. Maybe not, maybe I'm giving you credit where it's not due.

 

[Michchamp]

I?ll offer this: president Biden is a racist, based on what he says in public, and no news outlet calls him on this.

He is racist and a bad President.

So... you agree there is still structural racism in this country? I mean, if he's racist, and the head of the country, and the leaders of one of our two oligarchic political parties more or less bent plenty of iron to railroad him into the White House, (and Mitch McConnell, Romney, etc. didn't do his opponent any favors either), they must not have a problem with racism, and therefore it's not much of a stretch to conclude they would enact, support, or maintain racist laws and policies, right?

School bussing went in two directions, and as a 14-year-old kid, I was not all that enthusiastic about the prospect of being bussed to Cooley, Finney, Northwestern, Southwestern, Western, Cass Tech, or any other high school in the city of Detroit in 1971.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.

Private schools would've still been a problem and an outlier. The state should take steps to discourage them as well.

I think that the 1967 riots were influential in the white migration to the suburbs. I don?t know what caused the Black migration from the Detroit to the suburbs in the 1990s.

I've heard that, sure. But I was born in 1980, and everyone on both sides of my family still lived in Detroit. That's over a decade later.

Did the riots flare up again, in like 1983 or something? Or did government encourage white flight by building freeways through neighborhoods in the city, building freeways out to bumfucking nowhere, and allocating public funds to build new infrastructure out in the suburbs, while designing mortgage laws to ensure that people in Detroit with last names like "Jackson" or "Jefferson" didn't get mortgages near people with names like "Rossi" "Kowalski" "Meyer" "O'Leary" etc. ...?

 

[Spartanmack]

He is racist and a bad President.

So... you agree there is still structural racism in this country? I mean, if he's racist, and the head of the country, and the leaders of one of our two oligarchic political parties more or less bent plenty of iron to railroad him into the White House, (and Mitch McConnell, Romney, etc. didn't do his opponent any favors either), they must not have a problem with racism, and therefore it's not much of a stretch to conclude they would enact, support, or maintain racist laws and policies, right?

you're going to have to do better than conjecture. Point to the racist policy or law and why it is racist or racially discriminatory.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.

Private schools would've still been a problem and an outlier. The state should take steps to discourage them as well.

The needs of the many aren't met by busing a few kids from bad schools to good and a like amount from good schools to bad. And suburban schools weren't better/safer because of racism.

I've heard that, sure. But I was born in 1980, and everyone on both sides of my family still lived in Detroit. That's over a decade later.

Did the riots flare up again, in like 1983 or something? Or did government encourage white flight by building freeways through neighborhoods in the city, building freeways out to bumfucking nowhere, and allocating public funds to build new infrastructure out in the suburbs, while designing mortgage laws to ensure that people in Detroit with last names like "Jackson" or "Jefferson" didn't get mortgages near people with names like "Rossi" "Kowalski" "Meyer" "O'Leary" etc. ...?

what new infrastructure was built in the suburbs that wasn't also paid for by taxes from suburban taxpayers? And how exactly were mortgage laws designed to ensure black people couldn't get mortgages near white people?

 

[Michchamp]

how would describe a theory that says that the US is a product of white supremacy as structured and that structure makes civil rights and racial equality impossible? that there is no merit based outcomes, your lot in life is defined by your group identity? Read Derek Bell's work. He's the guy who created Critical Race Theory.

It's gaining momentum. School districts all over the country are implementing it. It's in elite private schools in NY, it's in public schools in NY and NJ. It's spreading and it needs to be stopped before it's too late. I don't believe you don't know this - same with the transgender issue. I think you know this is gaining steam and you support it so you prefer to play it down and let it grow until it's too late to stop it. Maybe not, maybe I'm giving you credit where it's not due.

I don't know it. My kids are in public school here and I haven't heard anything about it.

Like the transgender issue, I only heard about it because the usual suspects started ranting about it here.

 

[Michchamp]

you're going to have to do better than conjecture. Point to the racist policy or law and why it is racist or racially discriminatory.

Haha, I can't.

 

[Spartanmack]

Haha, I can't.

I know.

 

[Michchamp]

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what new infrastructure was built in the suburbs that wasn't also paid for by taxes from suburban taxpayers? And how exactly were mortgage laws designed to ensure black people couldn't get mortgages near white people?

Now I don't have a youtube video from Glenn Beck or Alex Jones ranting about it, so you probably won't find any of my sources trustworthy, but the practice was called "redlining" and was formally the US policy until being outlawed by the US Fair Housing Act in 1969. Here's a CBS news article about it (link).

The article notes that banks have continued the practice covertly, without the cover of US law, right until the present day. There is wide documentation about all this particularly in court filings. But alas, I haven't seen any youtube videos about it that you can watch. It's not my primary source of news, unfortunately

 

[Michchamp]

Now I don't have a youtube video from Glenn Beck or Alex Jones ranting about it, so you probably won't find any of my sources trustworthy, but the practice was called "redlining" and was formally the US policy until being outlawed by the US Fair Housing Act in 1969. Here's a CBS news article about it (link).

The article notes that banks have continued the practice covertly, without the cover of US law, right until the present day. There is wide documentation about all this particularly in court filings. But alas, I haven't seen any youtube videos about it that you can watch. It's not my primary source of news, unfortunately

wait, here's youtube video...! from NPR... only 6:36 mins long

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5FBJyqfoLM

 

[Spartanmack]

Now I don't have a youtube video from Glenn Beck or Alex Jones ranting about it, so you probably won't find any of my sources trustworthy, but the practice was called "redlining" and was formally the US policy until being outlawed by the US Fair Housing Act in 1969. Here's a CBS news article about it (link).

The article notes that banks have continued the practice covertly, without the cover of US law, right until the present day. There is wide documentation about all this particularly in court filings. But alas, I haven't seen any youtube videos about it that you can watch. It's not my primary source of news, unfortunately

I don't follow Glenn Beck or Alex Jones, never have. But redlining wasn't a law and didn't enjoy any constitutional protections. And by the way, it wasn't designed to keep black people from getting mortgages to buy homes in white neighborhoods as you contended. It was a lazy way to reduce credit risk by not lending to borrowers in high risk, primarily black neighborhoods. No one said it didn't happen and I'm not aware of anyone arguing that wasn't racist, but it's been outlawed and since then there has, to my knowledge been only one significant action against a major bank for racist lending policies and that bank was made to pay a substantial fine, address and fix the problem. Michael Bloomberg may say it still exists, but his opinion and the opinions of the nameless people referred to in your article aren't satisfactory evidence - for most, I know it is for you, but I'd prefer to see some actual evidence.

Is it your contention that nothing has changed since the days of redlining? America is no less racist since the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, or longer, perhaps since the days of slavery? Do you think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist today? That's just plain dumb.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You honestly don't think there's still racism today - both structural and personal?

Like all the people in government, and who later entered government, and were supportive of segregation in the 60's and opposed school busing in the 70's (like our current president) just stopped being racist between then and now and didn't say and teach racist shit to their kids?

all those white parents in Detroit, like mine, who moved to the suburbs "for the schools" and never questioned why suddenly all the good schools were there? Nope... no racism there, just opinion.

Yes, I honestly don?t think there?s personal racism today - which is why I literally posted the opposite of that in what you literally quoted.

Can you believe that fossil we elected, J?Biden, was a little bit slightly relevant all the way back then?

So does his being against bussing - which ended up directly fucking up little Kamala Harris?s life, except it actually really didn?t - make him a racist? I don?t know; ask K girl, she?s the one who said it - which I hear caused the First Lady and great doctor hate the Veep with the white hot hated of a million blazing suns.

I think Biden doesn?t give a shit. I think Biden sees (in his few moments of still being cogent) the bloc of black voters as a commodity - his commodity, apparently.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sTs42YOYIg

 

[Spartanmack]

Yes, I honestly don?t think there?s personal racism today - which is why I literally posted the opposite of that in what you literally quoted.

i was shaking my head on that one too, you don't need to be a master of the obvious to avoid that mistake but I figured I'd let you respond.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't follow Glenn Beck or Alex Jones, never have. But redlining wasn't a law and didn't enjoy any constitutional protections. And by the way, it wasn't designed to keep black people from getting mortgages to buy homes in white neighborhoods as you contended. It was a lazy way to reduce credit risk by not lending to borrowers in high risk, primarily black neighborhoods. No one said it didn't happen and I'm not aware of anyone arguing that wasn't racist, but it's been outlawed and since then there has, to my knowledge been only one significant action against a major bank for racist lending policies and that bank was made to pay a substantial fine, address and fix the problem. Michael Bloomberg may say it still exists, but his opinion and the opinions of the nameless people referred to in your article aren't satisfactory evidence - for most, I know it is for you, but I'd prefer to see some actual evidence.

Is it your contention that nothing has changed since the days of redlining? America is no less racist since the Civil Rights movement of the 60s, or longer, perhaps since the days of slavery? Do you think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist today? That's just plain dumb.

it wasn't a law, true, it was the written policy of the federal agency that was created by law to oversee mortgages.

After the passage of the 13th & 14th Amendments, no place in the US could any longer write openly racist laws and expect them to be upheld as constitutional, so they got creative and came up with "separate but equal" segregation, which was shown to be in practice anything but equal. For decades courts have understood that racism still exists, but can't overtly declare itself, and so have allowed arguments about racist intent and effect and declared laws to be unconstitutional based on those alone, so to simply claim ignorance of all this and declare there's no institutional racism anymore is really something. Especially acknowledging there are racist people, but somehow none of them are ever in power, or if in power allow their racist feelings to affect policy or decision making... wow.

and you say it wasn't racist, or a law but was "outlawed"? why? for being... what?

and The other people quoted in the article have their names mentioned, as well as the organizations they work for.

jesus christ man, get an editor. you can't even read and write.

 

[Michchamp]

Hey, open question for anyone who voted for Trump (or just preferred Trump over Biden): does the fact that Biden opposed school busing make some of you guys like him more? Like even like him just a *tiny* bit, or think he can't be all bad if he did that?

it's a yes/no question.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Hey, open question for anyone who voted for Trump (or just preferred Trump over Biden): does the fact that Biden opposed school busing make some of you guys like him more? Like even like him just a *tiny* bit, or think he can't be all bad if he did that?

it's a yes/no question.

I didn?t vote for Trump, but I?ve said a few times I would?ve preferred Trump.

It doesn?t change my opinion of J?Biden, so no.

I was a teenager just kinda starting to pay attention to such things in the 70s, wasn?t effected by bussing myself. I don?t know that it so cut and dry and straight down Republitard/libtard lines as people seem to be remembering it - or remembering it second hand - today.

 

[Michchamp]

I didn?t vote for Trump, but I?ve said a few times I would?ve preferred Trump.

It doesn?t change my opinion of J?Biden, so no.

I was a teenager just kinda starting to pay attention to such things in the 70s, wasn?t effected by bussing myself. I don?t know that it so cut and dry and straight down Republitard/libtard lines as people seem to be remembering it - or remembering it second hand - today.

Biden was always a Democrat and he opposed school busing in no uncertain terms. He sponsored several measures to block it, or gut its provisions. The same article details how he may have voted against some amendments around the issue, but sponsoring bills and (for Breitbart readers) saying he didn't want his own kids growing up in a racial jungle seem to outweigh that...


I guess I see your point... most Americans, Democrat or Republican, (but I would argue mostly Republican) wouldn't want their kids growing up in a racial jungle either.

 

[tigermud]

Hey, open question for anyone who voted for Trump (or just preferred Trump over Biden): does the fact that Biden opposed school busing make some of you guys like him more? Like even like him just a *tiny* bit, or think he can't be all bad if he did that?

it's a yes/no question.

No, Biden doesn?t even know where he is half his waking hours and a blithering fool with a VP that giggles every time she?s asked a question she doesn?t have an answer for. Our nation is on the verge of total collapse without a strong leader

 

[tinselwolverine]

Biden was always a Democrat and he opposed school busing in no uncertain terms. He sponsored several measures to block it, or gut its provisions. The same article details how he may have voted against some amendments around the issue, but sponsoring bills and (for Breitbart readers) saying he didn't want his own kids growing up in a racial jungle seem to outweigh that...


I guess I see your point... most Americans, Democrat or Republican, (but I would argue mostly Republican) wouldn't want their kids growing up in a racial jungle either.

Wanna know what?s funny and ironic all?

For decades, J?Biden was the senior senator from a state that Democrats ? I just heard Obama specifically bitching about it himself in a clip - are ?over represented? in the United States Senate - most specifically, the states with only one member in the HOR. Of the seven, only one other, Vermont is seen as leaning blue. The others are seen as dead red (when a hitter is looking primarily for the fastball, that?s called ?dead red? - I wasn?t implying those folks are violent).

So J?Biden?s relevance is a product of a structure the Democrats have come to hate - and Bernie is too!

Statistically, both J?Biden and Bernie would have had half the chance to be elected to the HOR; where each would have almost surely been lost in the crowd.