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Chris Houston out?

You're kidding, right? Suddenly Ponder is better than Stafford..

I think he means out of the four teams we have few very few positions you would rank us first. Obviously Stafford is a head of Ponder but behind ARod.
 
Yep all starts with beating division opponents. They are very beatable. Lots of close games that could go in the Lions favor next year.

We played like junk and still almost swept the Bears and beat the Vikings and Packers at home. Heck we were destroying the Packers with everyone injured until the Stafford fumble out of nowhere. at Vikings only game I didn't feel like we had a chance to win due to Peterson breaking the Lions backs in the 4th Quarter.
 
I think he means out of the four teams we have few very few positions you would rank us first. Obviously Stafford is a head of Ponder but behind ARod.

An excellent matchup would be Staffs GF vs Samantha Ponder??

I think Staffords GF is hotter.....but I would nail either one.
 
Yeah that's my second Farley post in as many weeks. That back and forth between you and booger just reminded me of that scene.

Even better is that the YouTube posts lets me see more Chris Farley stuff..

:nod:
 
OHHHH NOOOOO! LKPS dreams of having the same shitty defense as last year quickly fading away!!!!

Chris Houston - DB - Lions The Lions have expressed "no outward interest" in re-signing free agent CB Chris Houston.
They seem to be more concerned at the moment with free agent Cliff Avril and restructuring Matthew Stafford's deal. Houston may ultimately hit a deep free-agent corner market unsigned, but we wouldn't be surprised to see him back in Detroit. Ideally, the Lions would pair Houston with a legitimate No. 1 corner.
Source: MLive.com Feb 24 - 8:12 PM
 
OHHHH NOOOOO! LKPS dreams of having the same shitty defense as last year quickly fading away!!!!

Chris Houston - DB - Lions The Lions have expressed "no outward interest" in re-signing free agent CB Chris Houston.
They seem to be more concerned at the moment with free agent Cliff Avril and restructuring Matthew Stafford's deal. Houston may ultimately hit a deep free-agent corner market unsigned, but we wouldn't be surprised to see him back in Detroit. Ideally, the Lions would pair Houston with a legitimate No. 1 corner.
Source: MLive.com Feb 24 - 8:12 PM

To be fair LKPs defense was much, much worse.
 
Big mistake to let Houston go which at this point that's a rumor since Avril and Stafford were the only documented cases Mayhew talked too. Although he did hit free agency once and came back but he's had two good seasons since then.

Houston will be back. And if you think Houston was the reason the defense struggled(other than the Atl game), well you have issues.
 
To be fair LKPs defense was much, much worse.

The defense I am talking about was a top 5 defense before Delmas started getting hurt all the time(Thanksgiving 2011 on) and the DEs went to crap. Give me Houston/Delmas back, give me Werner and Jackson/Young/Tulloch back to 2011 form and the Lions can have a top 5 defense again in 2013.
 
The defense I am talking about was a top 5 defense before Delmas started getting hurt all the time(Thanksgiving 2011 on) and the DEs went to crap. Give me Houston/Delmas back, give me Werner and Jackson/Young/Tulloch back to 2011 form and the Lions can have a top 5 defense again in 2013.

That was a long time ago, things change. It use to about the injuries but now its lack of talent. And one draft pick won't change that regardless who we get back. And who is to say Delmas won't get hurt again?
 
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The defense I am talking about was a top 5 defense before Delmas started getting hurt all the time(Thanksgiving 2011 on) and the DEs went to crap. Give me Houston/Delmas back, give me Werner and Jackson/Young/Tulloch back to 2011 form and the Lions can have a top 5 defense again in 2013.


Top 5 defense, psshh. How many games did our Lions win last year? Believing that the Lions D was ever top 5 is crazy. Does thinking this give you comfort and make you not think the Lions were one of the worst teams in the NFL last year?
 
The defense I am talking about was a top 5 defense before Delmas started getting hurt all the time(Thanksgiving 2011 on) and the DEs went to crap. Give me Houston/Delmas back, give me Werner and Jackson/Young/Tulloch back to 2011 form and the Lions can have a top 5 defense again in 2013.

top 5 defense like the one that lost to ponder and locker?
 
The defense I am talking about was a top 5 defense before Delmas started getting hurt all the time(Thanksgiving 2011 on) and the DEs went to crap. Give me Houston/Delmas back, give me Werner and Jackson/Young/Tulloch back to 2011 form and the Lions can have a top 5 defense again in 2013.

Top 10, yes. In TOs they were top 5 I believe, but not in Total D. Nonetheless, teams change and injuries happen. Even with your proposed D, I don't believe they would recapture the magic from the first 11 weeks in 2011.

Delmas specifically has huge injury potential. Jackson, Young, and Tully might never return to that same level of play due to a variety of factors including age, injuries, and opponents learning how to play better against the vanilla D the Lions use, mostly because the DL is not as dominant as many of us would like to believe and without that dominance the D's weaknesses in back 7 quickly get exposed.

Every year the team is different from the prior year. Is it possible for Mayhew to find a formula that will work in 2013, yes. Will it take more than getting Werner and having LoJack, Young, and Tully back to their best level, absolutely. They are still exposed at CB, S, and OLB even with those 4 guys at their best plus Houston and Delmas playing at their best for the entire season.

Still, even with that they will not likely be top 5. Nor do we necessarily need the D to be top 5. top 15 will likely result in being a playoff contender and top 10 would likely mean they have a legit shot at the NFC CG. And remember, during that 11 week stretch they only played 2 teams that went to the playoffs in 2011 and lost both, so even when the D was humming along at arguably their best level, the team needed to be considerably better to have any legit shot at a playoff win. Notice how the Niners improved since then? Notice how the Lions did not??? That is due in no small part to coaching and the FO, which is what many of us have issue with currently because the Lions had a chance to get to that level. They were earning respect, the atmosphere was positive, and they let it all slip away. Now they are back in rebuilding mode again due to the FO and coaches not having the ability to get the right guys in place to sustain what was working well, let alone improve.
 
Top 10, yes. In TOs they were top 5 I believe, but not in Total D. Nonetheless, teams change and injuries happen. Even with your proposed D, I don't believe they would recapture the magic from the first 11 weeks in 2011.

Delmas specifically has huge injury potential. Jackson, Young, and Tully might never return to that same level of play due to a variety of factors including age, injuries, and opponents learning how to play better against the vanilla D the Lions use, mostly because the DL is not as dominant as many of us would like to believe and without that dominance the D's weaknesses in back 7 quickly get exposed.

Every year the team is different from the prior year. Is it possible for Mayhew to find a formula that will work in 2013, yes. Will it take more than getting Werner and having LoJack, Young, and Tully back to their best level, absolutely. They are still exposed at CB, S, and OLB even with those 4 guys at their best plus Houston and Delmas playing at their best for the entire season.

Still, even with that they will not likely be top 5. Nor do we necessarily need the D to be top 5. top 15 will likely result in being a playoff contender and top 10 would likely mean they have a legit shot at the NFC CG. And remember, during that 11 week stretch they only played 2 teams that went to the playoffs in 2011 and lost both, so even when the D was humming along at arguably their best level, the team needed to be considerably better to have any legit shot at a playoff win. Notice how the Niners improved since then? Notice how the Lions did not??? That is due in no small part to coaching and the FO, which is what many of us have issue with currently because the Lions had a chance to get to that level. They were earning respect, the atmosphere was positive, and they let it all slip away. Now they are back in rebuilding mode again due to the FO and coaches not having the ability to get the right guys in place to sustain what was working well, let alone improve.

Houston is a good corner, Carey can do better than what Spievey did, Durant can play better than 2011, in fact he did in 2012, and Bentley and Bartell can do better than what Wright and Berry did especially if they get the pass rush help back. I think any of the 3 OLBs on the roster now could outplay 2011 Levy as well.
 
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