Chris Houston out?

[boogerlovejoy]

Yes and the argument applies to Fitzgerald but not to your boy.

Pettigrew my boy??

I just said he's in the wrong system and isn't a good pass catching TE.....but he's my boy??

Right.

You're just like hughes.....you're trying to make points NOBODY is arguing.

Pettigrew is NOT the worst TE in the league......just like Fitz is NOT the worst WR. That is common knowledge fuckstick. Those rankings are stupid.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

With the rankings you said you need to take into account qb, down year, and offense. Taking all those things into account Pettigrew is still one of the worst offensive producers in the league. Don't muddy the waters, with your outbursts.

So you're saying that L. Fitzgerald is the single worst offensive producing WR in the NFL??

 

[cheeno]

Fitzgerald ceiling with a good qb, top 3.
Pettigrew ceiling with a good qb, 20th.

Another Mayhew failure.

 

[cheeno]

So you're saying that L. Fitzgerald is the single worst offensive producing WR in the NFL??

In 2012 taking into account he is double teamed on the worst passing offense in the NFL? That is a stretch? Andre Roberts out produced him.

Basically what you are arguing is that you can't quantify talent. But you can quantify production, taking into account several factors over multiple years (to eliminate the outlier or down year). Taking all those factors into account Pettigrew sucks, remember these are your factors.

Basically you can take any amount of factors you want and you still can't polish this turd. Fitzgerald has an excuse for his failure, Pettigrew can look in the mirror.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Fitzgerald ceiling with a good qb, top 3.
Pettigrew ceiling with a good qb, 20th.

Another Mayhew failure.

Again, please show me where I was disputing who has a higher ceiling? You're making arguments that NEVER existed.

 

[cheeno]

Again, please show me where I was disputing who has a higher ceiling? You're making arguments that NEVER existed.

My argument is that Pettigrew is awful. Glad you agree.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

pettigrew..awful?...superstar..or pro bowler?...no....awful?...no..bad year with fumbling?...yes...good solid player?...yes..

 

[mhughes0021]

pettigrew..awful?...superstar..or pro bowler?...no....awful?...no..bad year with fumbling?...yes...good solid player?...yes..

Solid at what though? I can find a 6th rd te from frikken Zimbabwe that does what he does. Run 6 yds....turn around....catch it sometimes...get hit immediately and fall diwn.

 

[cheeno]

Solid at what though? I can find a 6th rd te from frikken Zimbabwe that does what he does. Run 6 yds....turn around....catch it sometimes...get hit immediately and fall diwn.

That was my point, most think he's a solid TE but the stats don't back it up as far as offensive production. Last year in particular he would have to have blocked like the bastard child of Tony Boselli and Jonathan Ogden to make up for his crappy receiving skills. Good qb, gets thrown at 100 times a year and his highest statistical output is 20th amongst tight ends? Put a guy like Pitta (average/above average) there and see what he does, at least matches production and didn't come at a top 20 overall pick.

 

[tonyballs]

they (gronk and hernandez) were both 2nd round picks.....id expect pettigrew to be better than both of them (common sense would say a first round pick is better than a 2nd round pick). Pettigrew was supposed to be a superior run blocker....which is why he was worthy of a 1st round pick. He isnt. To be honest i dont think hes any better of a run blocker than gronk is.

You expected wrong. Totally unfair to compare Pettigrew to guys like Gronk and Hernandez. Gronk was 1st rd talent if not for a back injury and anybody who watched the Gators knew Hernandez would be special if he went into the right system in the NFL. Both guys get drafted by the fn Patriots. Pettigrew gets drafted by the Lions and hes not even a pass catching TE. That, and he gets married to a rookie QB in Stafford. Two rookies trying to gel together. I think they have done a nice job together but to compare the 3 TEs is ridiculous

 

[mhughes0021]

You expected wrong. Totally unfair to compare Pettigrew to guys like Gronk and Hernandez. Gronk was 1st rd talent if not for a back injury and anybody who watched the Gators knew Hernandez would be special if he went into the right system in the NFL. Both guys get drafted by the fn Patriots. Pettigrew gets drafted by the Lions and hes not even a pass catching TE. That, and he gets married to a rookie QB in Stafford. Two rookies trying to gel together. I think they have done a nice job together but to compare the 3 TEs is ridiculous

But tony....thats part of the problem. We pick him in the first, hes not a pass catching te, and we proceed to pass the ball 10 million times a year. Just like we need a pass catching speed back yet we play leshoure and bell. Or want big cbs the year after drafting bentley. The plan is....there is no plan. And if there was a plan....we'll be sure to change it next year!

 

[cheeno]

But tony....thats part of the problem. We pick him in the first, hes not a pass catching te, and we proceed to pass the ball 10 million times a year. Just like we need a pass catching speed back yet we play leshoure and bell. Or want big cbs the year after drafting bentley. The plan is....there is no plan. And if there was a plan....we'll be sure to change it next year!

We sure seem to draft a lot of guys who aren't supposed to do things you draft guys for.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

But tony....thats part of the problem. We pick him in the first, hes not a pass catching te, and we proceed to pass the ball 10 million times a year. Just like we need a pass catching speed back yet we play leshoure and bell. Or want big cbs the year after drafting bentley. The plan is....there is no plan. And if there was a plan....we'll be sure to change it next year!

Who gives a shit if Pettigrew isn't a pass catching TE. He is a solid overall TE....receiving and blocking.

What would be smarter.....to tailor an ENTIRE offense around our TE just because we picked him in the first round......or to see if he can adjust to a different system and try to make him a complimentary piece?

I'm not the biggest Pettigrew fan on the planet....but he is NOT the reason this team lost 12 games this year.

 

[cheeno]

Who gives a shit if Pettigrew isn't a pass catching TE. He is a solid overall TE....receiving and blocking.

What would be smarter.....to tailor an ENTIRE offense around our TE just because we picked him in the first round......or to see if he can adjust to a different system and try to make him a complimentary piece?

I'm not the biggest Pettigrew fan on the planet....but he is NOT the reason this team lost 12 games this year.

He made his contributions.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

He made his contributions.

EVERYONE who did not wear #81 contributed.

 

[LKP]

Pettigrew is good for a first down especially on third down many times. He's a great safety for Stafford on 3rd downs. He had 33 first downs this year. And he's a good blocker no matter how bad the run game did, you can't put it all on Pettigrew (Backus/Raiola and inconsistency from Peterman and Gosder were the main culprits). Pettigrew is not a down the seam TE, we have Scheffler for that which Mayhew also got trading Millen junk Ernie Sims. Linehan loves two Tight end schemes.

Can Pettigrew pick up next year and be more efficient with less drops and don't gift the ball 2 times to the other team in crucial times of the game sure. But he's an asset for this team still.

In fact he was 11th for all Tigth Ends in 1st downs and he missed 4 games. And most tight ends have 30-40 incompletions in their targets like Pettigrew. Tony G is an exception but he's a HOFer

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/p...stDowns/seasontype/2/qualified/false/count/41

 

[zyxt9]

I think some of u r not understanding the issue being brought up. If pettigrew had been a R3 pick, this whole thing would be much less an issue. The argument being made is wr basically wasted a R1 pick on a guy who is at best an R3 talent on the Lions due to how often we throw. He might have been R1 talent on a run oriented team, but not pass oriented.

So this brings to bear the truth behind BPA. It is very specific to the schemes run by a given team. Lions should never have had a run blocking TE listed as BPA in R1 back in 2009. With so many desperate needs to fill, that was not a good BPA selection. This, and many other similar decisions, is why so many have come to question Mayhew&Co ability to accurately assess talent. Oher turned into a RT, but most of us would sure as hell have preferred him over Gos and then use the R3 DWill pick to grab a solid pass oriented TE. No one should have considered DWill to be the right BPA there either.

It is almost like they don't have a clue where in the draft they can find talent. R1 u can get a stud WR, not as likely R3. No WR avail, there is still Oher. R3 u can get a great starting TE. It is these types of decisions that give opinion they are clueless and need to go.

Now we are barely better than we were in 2009. No depth and talented players on the Lions roster who are better fits for other teams. Well, time to make some trades then to get better personnel for ur scheme. But no, they prefer to run with what they have. It does not make sense.

 

[LKP]

1) Pettigrew is a good receiver. 2 700 yard receving years are Lions records for TEs. 2012 he had the injury or he had 700 again.
2) Pettigrew is a good blocker
3) At the time in 2009, he was worthy of a 1st round pick. There is no doubt about that one
4) Stop being captain hindsights

 

[zyxt9]

It is less being captain hindsight and more about properly reviewing the status of the players and team.

Trade pettigrew for TE better suited for lions scheme, or even draft picks and get one in draft. They are not doing proper analysis of current talent, and neither are you.

Pett is better suited on a run oriented team, so trade him for players or picks to a team that can use him better and get something better in return.

You cannot fix the problem through inaction. He is ok as a TE, but u r still defending him as though he has proven worthybof R1 pick when everything points to his value was more like R3 level at best.

Mistakes are fine, they happen. Not correcting mistakes is unacceptable.

 

[LKP]

He is proven worthy of a 1st round pick. He's a good receiver, good chain mover and good blocker. Scheffler stretches the field. There is nothing to upgrade at TE.