Christie Creme almost comes out as an Anti-Vaccination nut

[Thumb]

I'm guessing your reading comprehension needs a tune-up. I'll post it again for you so you can stop being such a dickhead.

BTW - before you go all postal. I am a staunch defender of vaccinations. You only need to see one time, someone who contracted Polio, or someone who has died of the Measles.

I never said anything about you being anti- vaccination. But you went way off the rails talking about Pelosi claiming to be a Catholic then bringing up her pro-choice/womans rights stance. And as far as her pandering to Catholics, it's not even the same ballpark as the OT. :nuts:

I posted the other part as a jab at you for finding a way to insert your religious rhetoric in to a topic that had nothing to do with it.

And as far as it really not even deserving an answer, you managed to respond and quote it twice.

 

[biggunsbob]

Who Votes for these Anti-V guys? Wish They had a Vaccine for Bad backs...I would take all of them :/
I just don't understand anyone not using them. It makes no sense...

 

[spockmaster]

are there anti-vaxxers there too?

Article says yes: "Childhood immunization rates plummeted in parts of Europe and the U.K. after a 1998 study falsely claimed that the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella was linked to autism."

amazing how junk science catches on (and compare and contrast with real science like climate change science). It seems like the medical community, public health officials, and ultimately heads of state should've done more to prevent this from happening.

we know of a couple other parents that didn't vaccinate their kids for literally the dumbest reasons (in one case the mom said she didn't want to see her daughter get hurt by a needle)[b/]... it should absolutely be mandatory. on some issues parents are too stupid to know how to parent their kids, and I whole-heartedly endorse the state intervening, no matter how much libertarians and other nutjobs want to stomp and scream about it.

this is one of them.

you should have punched her right in the face. i have panic-attack inducing trypanophobia and i still had all my shots because its downright stupid not to, and any kids i have are getting theirs despite how i feel about needles. people that stupid shouldnt be allowed to breed.

 

[tinselwolverine]

i have panic-attack inducing trypanophobia...

They are working on a vaccine for that right now.

 

[KAWDUP]

I never said anything about you being anti- vaccination. But you went way off the rails talking about Pelosi claiming to be a Catholic then bringing up her pro-choice/womans rights stance. And as far as her pandering to Catholics, it's not even the same ballpark as the OT. :tup:

I posted the other part as a jab at you for finding a way to insert your religious rhetoric in to a topic that had nothing to do with it.

And as far as it really not even deserving an answer, you managed to respond and quote it twice.

Usage of the extreme example was meant to accentuate the difference between paying lip service for a photo op, or fund raiser, and actually not believing the same as who you are pandering to.

I realize that, based on your idiosyncratic morality, they aren't at the same level, but as an example of pandering, it is not only in the same ballpark, but a valid comparison.

Amazing thing about opinions - they are like assholes - everyone as one, unless of course you are Kim Jong-Il. :*)

 

[Michchamp]

You were talking about acceptable grades of pandering.

<<I think there are relatively harmless ways to pander to voters... like "supporting the troops" or demanding others "support the troops" and engage in other meaningless flag-waving gestures.

but pandering by giving lip service (or worse) to the anti-vaxx crowd? Dang, man, that's a public health problem with very real consequences.>>

Pandering to what end? Getting someone to vote for you, or think you support their cause? That is how I took what you said.

So, yeah, I think it is a worse type of pandering on your given scale.

to Thumb's point, I hardly think what Pelosi is doing (which is not concealing she's Catholic I guess?) is pandering. She doesn't really play up her religion or pretend to be holier than thou to appeal to religious Catholics, and she's a pretty centrist-party-line adhering Democrat.

so it's nowhere near giving lip service about "respecting parents' wishes" or some bullshit - despite vaccinating your own kids - just to get your fat, grubby fingers around a couple more votes, like Chrispie Kreme is doing.

 

[Michchamp]

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Amazing thing about opinions - they are like assholes - everyone as one, unless of course you are Kim Jong-Il. :*)

oh. glad you used that gay smiley face thing.

I was worried this would turn into another one of those threads where you take issue with some ancillary point (in this case the definition of "pandering") and then go bonkers arguing semantics for 100+ posts.

 

[KAWDUP]

oh. glad you used that gay smiley face thing.

I was worried this would turn into another one of those threads where you take issue with some ancillary point (in this case the definition of "pandering") and then go bonkers arguing semantics for 100+ posts.

It's not gay, you nitwit person that doesn't know the meaning of the word "pandering"

Post #1 - not sure we will get to 100's or not, but I'm game if you are.

 

[Michchamp]

It's not gay, you nitwit person that doesn't know the meaning of the word "pandering"

Post #1 - not sure we will get to 100's or not, but I'm game if you are.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not game.

I want to get back to shaming the Anti-Vaxx movement, as a public service. The good news at least is that only tLiar appears to be the only believer around here, and it would be easy enough to quarantine Clarkston, MI.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not game.

I want to get back to shaming the Anti-Vaxx movement, as a public service. The good news at least is that only tLiar appears to be the only believer around here, and it would be easy enough to quarantine Clarkston, MI.

On the radio just a bit ago I heard a report the anti-vaxx demos are still substantially most associated with the affluent left as as you speculated previously in this thread.

So maybe tsmith is going to have to re-think his political philosophy.

Someone just said that Santa Monica have the same vaccination rate as South Sudan.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Listening about this on the radio right now...790 KABC...

 

[Michchamp]

yeah, but come on, that's Los Angeles you're talking about.

 

[Spartanmack]

They are working on a vaccine for that right now.

hopefully it comes in pill form...

 

[Michchamp]

hopefully it comes in pill form...

you live in NJ, right? what do you think of Governor Sausage Fingers?

 

[Thumb]

hopefully it comes in pill form...

Suppository, it will open up a new line of anti-vaccination phobias.

 

[Spartanmack]

you live in NJ, right? what do you think of Governor Sausage Fingers?

On this particular issue, if he's actually supporting the decision to not vaccinate, he's being foolish. But if he's supporting people who choose to vaccinate but would prefer to not give the bundled vaccines all at once and prefer to spread them out, I don't have a problem with that. I haven't read the article so I don't know exactly what he's said/done. People in that camp - which to me seems perfectly reasonable are getting put in the anti-vax camp by all the "shamers". With them it's all or nothing and anything that gives even the appearance of being anti-vax, even though it is clearly not has to be equally shamed.

On the whole, I would say he's a disappointment but better than his predecessors. I haven't lived in NJ long enough to vote in a gubernatorial race so I didn't vote for him but probably would have considering his opponent was a thieving scumbag liar.

 

[Spartanmack]

yeah, but come on, that's Los Angeles you're talking about.

But it's LA that is having the problem. Don't they, and the druids in the northwest have the highest concentration of anti-vaxers? I don't know if there are any communities with large concentrations of Christian Scientists but I'm not aware of any predominantly conservative regions with alarmingly low vaccination rates.

 

[Michchamp]

On the radio just a bit ago I heard a report the anti-vaxx demos are still substantially most associated with the affluent left as as you speculated previously in this thread.

So maybe tsmith is going to have to re-think his political philosophy.

Someone just said that Santa Monica have the same vaccination rate as South Sudan.

... but wait!

"three state lawmakers [Senator Richard Pan (D-Sacramento) and Senator Ben Allen (D-Santa Monica) ? and now joined by Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego)] plan legislation aimed at increasing the number of youngsters who have been immunized when they start school in California."
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Link. The bill would essentially delete the "personal belief" exemption for vaccinations. I'd be curious to know when exactly the exemption was put in place. Maybe it wasn't a recent clause, but they allowed it, figuring we'd never get enough stupid parents out there willfully choosing to avoid vaccinating their kids. a quick bing search shows around 19 other states have personal exemptions for vaccination.

 

[Spartanmack]

... but wait!

"three state lawmakers [Senator Richard Pan (D-Sacramento) and Senator Ben Allen (D-Santa Monica) – and now joined by Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego)] plan legislation aimed at increasing the number of youngsters who have been immunized when they start school in California."
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Link. The bill would essentially delete the "personal belief" exemption for vaccinations. I'd be curious to know when exactly the exemption was put in place. Maybe it wasn't a recent clause, but they allowed it, figuring we'd never get enough stupid parents out there willfully choosing to avoid vaccinating their kids. a quick bing search shows around 19 other states have personal exemptions for vaccination.

What are you trying to say here? That this is some kind of smoking gun that proves dems are less anti-vax? A bill sponsored by three dems in a legislature where dems outnumber republicans by 2:1 sponsoring legislation that only affects districts where the representatives are exclusively dems? If that's what you're trying to say, how about we wait until they take an up and down vote and see where the opposition lies...

I'm surprised that there are that many states with personal belief exemptions. One of my sisters-in-law (wife's bros wife) is one of those holistic moms freaks. They have 2 biological kids and 2 adopted through the state (from unfit mothers). I don't think her biological kids are vaccinated but the state won't allow wards to be adopted unless they are vaccinated. I would hope the same requirement was in place for attending public school (her school-aged biological kid is home schooled of course).

 

[Spartanmack]

On the news this morning (CNN) they said there have been 108 cases of measles reported in the United States so far this year - 99 of them are in California. Granted, the CDC has linked most of those to a single outbreak linked to Disneyland - but the government also said 9/11 wasn't an inside job!