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Coaching openings

eddiesharrak said:
I personally think we should keep Caldwell, as long as they keep the same coordinators, for next season. We have virtually all of the core players signed through next season and majority of them have asked for the same coaching staff back. We had the the 3rd toughest schedule in the league last season. We can reasonably get to the playoffs with our upcoming schedule in the 2016 season with the same offense and defense installed. It also gives us the best shot to keep Megatron for one more season. If the Browns don't hire Matt Patricia this off-season, he should be our target next off-season for HC. Great article by the Boston Herald on him. Seems like a good balance of knowledge, analytical savvy, and personable skills for a HC candidate.

Here's the article for those who haven't read it:
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2015/12/how_matt_patricia_engineers_patriots_defense
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If this team couldn't beat the better teams this season how will they win a playoff game against the good teams? Honest question. 10-12 wins and no playoff success is a bad season. This organization needs to get away from, "get to the playoffs equals good season" train of thought.

2015 was the perfect season to make some noise and they failed.
 
Mitchrapp said:
If this team couldn't beat the better teams this season how will they win a playoff game against the good teams? Honest question. 10-12 wins and no playoff success is a bad season. This organization needs to get away from, "get to the playoffs equals good season" train of thought.

2015 was the perfect season to make some noise and they failed.
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I can't say for certain that they'll win or lose against the good teams next season. Nobody can. What are our options realistically though? New coaching staff almost assuredly takes Megatron out of returning. At that point, we are closer to a rebuild than a reload. In my mind, we don't have much to lose to bring the coaching staff back next season. Gives Quinn a season to understand the organization and it's needs and layout a blueprint. Puts pressure on the coaching staff to succeed so they can either keep their jobs here or parlay that into opportunities with other organizations. I never liked the Caldwell hiring from day 1, but I understand that he's someone the locker room respects and his current coordinators have had success with their sides of the ball. I don't think we lose much by bringing them back for next season. I don't think getting rid of the staff brings about the potential success you seek long-term any sooner.
 
eddiesharrak said:
I can't say for certain that they'll win or lose against the good teams next season. Nobody can. What are our options realistically though? New coaching staff almost assuredly takes Megatron out of returning. At that point, we are closer to a rebuild than a reload. In my mind, we don't have much to lose to bring the coaching staff back next season. Gives Quinn a season to understand the organization and it's needs and layout a blueprint. Puts pressure on the coaching staff to succeed so they can either keep their jobs here or parlay that into opportunities with other organizations. I never liked the Caldwell hiring from day 1, but I understand that he's someone the locker room respects and his current coordinators have had success with their sides of the ball. I don't think we lose much by bringing them back for next season. I don't think getting rid of the staff brings about the potential success you seek long-term any sooner.
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If you give caldwell another year. ...and bring in new coordinators. ...and they fail. Then caldwell gets fired next year and we get new coordinators again. You only bring caldwell back if cooter stays. Period. Changing coordinators every year can't happen. If cooter leaves you blow it all up this year.
 
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eddiesharrak said:
I can't say for certain that they'll win or lose against the good teams next season. Nobody can. What are our options realistically though? New coaching staff almost assuredly takes Megatron out of returning. At that point, we are closer to a rebuild than a reload. In my mind, we don't have much to lose to bring the coaching staff back next season. Gives Quinn a season to understand the organization and it's needs and layout a blueprint. Puts pressure on the coaching staff to succeed so they can either keep their jobs here or parlay that into opportunities with other organizations. I never liked the Caldwell hiring from day 1, but I understand that he's someone the locker room respects and his current coordinators have had success with their sides of the ball. I don't think we lose much by bringing them back for next season. I don't think getting rid of the staff brings about the potential success you seek long-term any sooner.
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1 WR, even CJ, doesn't mean rebuild. It's probably not a good idea to keep Caldwell and put him on a 1 year hot seat in Quinn's first year. Probably the reason most GM's get their own coach.

This is a personal opinion, players love soft coaches. No one to push 'em. We need two things from our HC. One, someone that is strong and not status quo. 2, someone aggressive.
 
mhughes0021 said:
If you give caldwell another year. ...and bring in new coordinators. ...and they fail. Then caldwell gets fired next year and we get new coordinators again. You only bring caldwell back if cooter stays. Period. Changing coordinators every year can't happen. If cooter leaves you blow it all up this year.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the point that if either Cooter or Austin leaves, then you get rid of Caldwell. Only reason we keep him is because of the success of the coordinators. Never said to keep Caldwell without the current staff.
 
dubbsco said:
Help me out on this one since I didn't follow the coaching tree. Is Cooter a former Case co-worker or something? Why would he leave here to go to Miami?
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Cooter was the QB coach while Gase was the OC in Denver, the game planed together, broke down film etc. Now that Cooter has had some success at OC and is not under contract it makes sense to hire him and Cooter himself gets some long term security with Gase's five year deal opposed to hot seat Jim Caldwell.
 
Mitchrapp said:
1 WR, even CJ, doesn't mean rebuild. It's probably not a good idea to keep Caldwell and put him on a 1 year hot seat in Quinn's first year. Probably the reason most GM's get their own coach.

This is a personal opinion, players love soft coaches. No one to push 'em. We need two things from our HC. One, someone that is strong and not status quo. 2, someone aggressive.
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Losing Megatron really hurts our chances to make the playoffs in 2016. WR corps will be too thin and we don't have a running game. Probably a poor choice of words on my part for rebuild. As far as the soft coaches thing, in my opinion, it's a toss-up. Looking at the current NFC playoff teams, Carroll, Arians, McCarthy, and Gruden don't seem like the strong coaches you speak of. Rivera and Zimmer are. Of the current coaching candidates, only one that meets the strong requirement to me is Coughlin.
 
Yup, it's beginning again... Lions are like a broken record. They have no clue what they are doing. It's comical really when you stop and cry about it.

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jdeb said:
Yup, it's beginning again... Lions are like a broken record. They have no clue what they are doing. It's comical really when you stop and cry about it.

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I'm starting to despise you as much as I did LKP.

We all get it......you don't like the moves. Between what the Lions have done and your comments.....you're the only broken record.

Get a new team then......nobody MAKING you be a Lions fan.
 
boogerlovejoy said:
I'm starting to despise you as much as I did LKP.

We all get it......you don't like the moves. Between what the Lions have done and your comments.....you're the only broken record.

Get a new team then......nobody MAKING you be a Lions fan.
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Agreed, its one thing to not agree with some moves your team makes. But if your just blatantly negative about everything they do. That removes you from being a fan of that team.
 
Gase not expected to hire an OC. Who knows.
 
I have no idea why people are down on McDaniels.

He's well regarded and knows how to run a top offense. Yes, he got a shot in Denver, and blew it. Belichick got ran out of Cleveland, but I doubt anyone still thinks he shouldn't have gotten another chance.

McDaniels is a brilliant guy. I'm sure if anyone can learn from his past mistakes, it's him.
 
boogerlovejoy said:
I'm starting to despise you as much as I did LKP.

We all get it......you don't like the moves. Between what the Lions have done and your comments.....you're the only broken record.

Get a new team then......nobody MAKING you be a Lions fan.
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Sorry man, I just am bummed about the whole thing. I don't want to be compared to LKP. I went over board and I apologize. I will try to keep things in perspective. It's hard, been following them since the 70's and just want to see something that makes sense.

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zoombabyzoom said:
Agreed, its one thing to not agree with some moves your team makes. But if your just blatantly negative about everything they do. That removes you from being a fan of that team.
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Sorry zoom. I went overboard with it all. Just frustrated. I will try to be more objective.

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