Confusing Things That Leyland Does

[hellifino]

maybe it's just me, but isn't Cabrera a better 1st basemen than Kelly, and isn't Kelly a better 3rd basemen than Cabrera.I know they want Cabrera at 3rd this year because of Fielder, but in cases where Fielder isn't playing 1st, why not put the best fielders where they'll do the most good for the team.

 

[tomdalton22]

maybe it's just me, but isn't Cabrera a better 1st basemen than Kelly, and isn't Kelly a better 3rd basemen than Cabrera.I know they want Cabrera at 3rd this year because of Fielder, but in cases where Fielder isn't playing 1st, why not put the best fielders where they'll do the most good for the team.

That is probably a confidence boosting thing with Leyland. Keeping him at 3B tells Miggy that JL is confident in his abilites there.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I doubt Miguel lacks confidence, he's our 3B. If it was about the best fielders, DY wouldn't be at left, Kburn wouldn't be at 2nd etc.

 

[hellifino]

That is probably a confidence boosting thing with Leyland. Keeping him at 3B tells Miggy that JL is confident in his abilites there.

yeah, but in the games that Fielder is DHing, it wouldn't hurt to keep Cabrera sharp at 1st just in case something happened to Fielder.

 

[Mitchrapp]

yeah, but in the games that Fielder is DHing, it wouldn't hurt to keep Cabrera sharp at 1st just in case something happened to Fielder.

How about keeping him sharp at 3rd? 1B isn't that difficult of a position to play.

 

[Thumb]

yeah, but in the games that Fielder is DHing, it wouldn't hurt to keep Cabrera sharp at 1st just in case something happened to Fielder.

I think it's more because Miguel is our 3rd baseman, period.

If you move him whenever Prince is not at 1st, what does that say about your confidence in him?

And Cabrera would not be better defensively at 1st than Kelly, defense is what has kept Don Kelly on MLB rosters.

They only moved him late last night because Inge came into the lineup and replaced Kelly and they needed a position for him to play, so they did the 3B/1B swap.

 

[tonyballs]

Playing Inge and Raburn.

next!!

 

[tigersofjustice]

Playing Inge and Raburn.

next!!

Sometimes I wish small sample size where an actual heavy and painful artifact that I could physically beat people with until they understood it.

 

[Thumb]

Sometimes I wish small sample size where an actual heavy and painful artifact that I could physically beat people with until they understood it.

You like Brandon Inge and I'm not going to try to change your mind on that.

But give me a break with making the small sample size excuse for him.

The sample is anything but small, it's painfully obvious to anyone who cares to look that his overall abilities are in serious decline. It didn't start when he got off the DL.

As far as Raburn, this has been a pretty steady thing throughout his career, slow starts and big finishes.

I, unlike others, do believe Raburn will eventually go through the phase where he turns himself into an offensive juggernaut, but like others, I'm tired of having to wait 3 months for it.

 

[johnny2x2x]

Playing Inge and Raburn.

next!!

That's happening today.

Avilla is going to have a ton of protection with Raburn and Inge hitting behind him.

Question? Men on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs, Tigers down by 2, Avilla up, do you intentionally walk him to load them?

 

[Thumb]

That's happening today.

Avilla is going to have a ton of protection with Raburn and Inge hitting behind him.

Question? Men on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs, Tigers down by 2, Avilla up, do you intentionally walk him to load them?

Avila doesn't really need protection.

He's hitting .244, nobody is afraid of him the way they are of Prince and Miguel, I don't see many situations where you walk him to intentionally load the bases.

 

[tigersofjustice]

You like Brandon Inge and I'm not going to try to change your mind on that.

But give me a break with making the small sample size excuse for him.

The sample is anything but small, it's painfully obvious to anyone who cares to look that his overall abilities are in serious decline. It didn't start when he got off the DL.

As far as Raburn, this has been a pretty steady thing throughout his career, slow starts and big finishes.

I, unlike others, do believe Raburn will eventually go through the phase where he turns himself into an offensive juggernaut, but like others, I'm tired of having to wait 3 months for it.

No, I don't like Inge. As a matter of fact I don't think he should be on the team. I just will not boo members of the team which I root for.

However, if anybody honestly looks at a .060 average after 20 at bats and thinks it is a true articulation of the players skill, that person is very stupid. You pretty much have to try to be a .060 hitter in the majors.

 

[Rebbiv]

And Spock, how can you say KBurn is better at that plate with both having career WAR of 5.2?

First, I will apologize for being late responding in this thread. My Mother-In-Law passed away a week ago Monday.

Now, WAR is a cumulative stat, sort of like R, HR and RBIs. Raburn has a 5.2 oWAR in 1497 PA, versus Young's 5.2 oWAR in 2967. Meaning, Raburn, given the same PAs as Young, would have a 10.3 oWAR.

Additionally, I myself do not like WAR as a stat. It is extremely flawed and counts an event the same. For example, a player hitting a HR with his team up 10-0 is treated the same as a HR in a tied game. WPA/LI is a better stat and weights the events based on leverage. Meaning a HR with the score tied is given more weight than the HR with the score 10-0.

Career WPA/LI (also a cumulative stat)

Raburn 0.8

Young -1.4

 

[Rebbiv]

He doesn't do that on daily basis. It might look like he struggles to catch up to a ball but usually catches them and KBurn just isn't 7 days but a pattern of bad play early and often ..

Career LF Fielding Stats (Baseball Reference)

Rtot/yr (Fielding Runs Above Average/1200 innings)

Raburn 9
Young -11

Rdrs/yr (Defensive Runs Saved/1200 innings)

Raburn 11
Young -10

F2O% (Fielded balls that resulted in outs)

Raburn 52%
Average 46%
Young 44%

Kills (Percentage of plays were runner was thrown out)

Raburn 4.5%
Average 2.3%
Young 2.2%

Helds (runners did not advance)

Raburn 64.1%
Average 63.8%
Young 62.3%


Although both look awkward in LF, the historical data indicates Raburn is actually above average and Young is one of the worst LFer in the game. That is the historical data and not based on someone's memory.

 

[Rebbiv]

You could have said per at bat, KBurn has more home runs. Easy. But coming up with if one has 100 home runs in 1500 at bats and one has 100 home runs in 3000 at bats blah blah blah? When its not even close to true..

We all know kburn is a better home run hitter.

Just like when at season's end, Raburn will be the better overall hitter. At least based on their careers.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Kburn might have a better overall career, slightly, but he hasn't been better every year. And as much as he had slow starts in the past, I'm not sure he's been this bad in April before.

 

[Thumb]

Condolences on your loss, Rebbiv.

Which site has the WPA/LI stats listed?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Sorry about your Mom-In-Law. Peace Reb..

 

[mjsb2]

Condolences on your loss, Rebbiv.

Which site has the WPA/LI stats listed?

Fangraphs.

 

[Rebbiv]

Condolences on your loss, Rebbiv.

Which site has the WPA/LI stats listed?

You can get them at Fangraphs and Baseball Reference.