controversial call?

[Mitchrapp]

Well I'm in favor of anything that expands replay and I agree with Girardi completely. He shouldn't be in the media discussing it but it's relevant. Close plays at first like the Cano play happen often...that one is not that big a deal, but the Omar play is ridiculous and that should never happen. Everyone in the entire free world saw that he was out by 6 miles. It would take 1 minute tops to get that call correctly called. I just don't agree with the oh well it happened philosophy when the technology is already being used during the game. That makes no sense. This is the playoffs...we'd be going absolutely nuts if the Omar play happened to us. People went nuts here about that fair or foul homerun call in KC.

And it does change the game being down 1-0 rather than 3-0. It's a completely different mindset for someone like Coke to go out there and know he can make 1 or 2 mistakes rather than if he went out there knowing he can't even make 1 mistake. Now that doesn't excuse the Yankees for not being able to score runs over the past 5 games, but it's valid. Not expanding replay in any sport is stupid. It would be faster to look at a replay and get the call correct rather than have to have a manager run out of the dugout and argue.

The Yankees having been whining all playoffs. The problem with replay is what's the limit? Do you replay all plays at first, even the Cano one which was a bang bang play? I like correct calls to but I don't want longer games.

Do you give them, like football, one or 2 objections or just whenever they want it? Or do you leave it too the Umps or one ump, and on a close play he might not make it right even after seeing the replay. How many times we've seen a steal or play at home and some of us said out and others said safe even after a replay.

Its not as easy as saying we need replay, without a solution.

 

[thehippo73]

My solution would be to give each team one challenge per game. I don't think it needs to be over complicated. If you us you challenge in the first then you are done.

Honestly, how many bad calls are made per game. If there are more calls blown then the human element is still in the game.

 

[Mitchrapp]

My solution would be to give each team one challenge per game. I don't think it needs to be over complicated. If you us you challenge in the first then you are done.

Honestly, how many bad calls are made per game. If there are more calls blown then the human element is still in the game.

That'd be fine but I've been hearing, replay now. Lets do it this year like they can just decide on the best way to use it. I still would have a problem with a bang bang play being changed because they decided a tie goes to the runner, etc.

 

[manchild98]

My solution would be to give each team one challenge per game. I don't think it needs to be over complicated. If you us you challenge in the first then you are done.

Honestly, how many bad calls are made per game. If there are more calls blown then the human element is still in the game.

I'd give each manager 3 challenges per game....balls and strikes can't be reviewed anything else can be.

 

[thehippo73]

That'd be fine but I've been hearing, replay now. Lets do it this year like they can just decide on the best way to use it. I still would have a problem with a bang bang play being changed because they decided a tie goes to the runner, etc.

In no way should it be implemented during these playoffs. The offseason is when you do these things. This isnt the NHL.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'd give each manager 3 challenges per game....balls and strikes can't be reviewed anything else can be.

2 or three would be fine with me.

 

[thehippo73]

I think you have to limit it to one. With multiple challenges, managers would use them to break momentum. With one challenge, managers would have a tough decision on what plays to use them.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think you have to limit it to one. With multiple challenges, managers would use them to break momentum. With one challenge, managers would have a tough decision on what plays to use them.

Maybe they do one and if it is reveresed the manager doesn't lose his ability to challenge. If it is upheld he is done. That way if the umpires continue to fuck up the manager can still make a challenge.

 

[cmlfactor]

The Yankees dynasty has been fueled by favorable calls. If this is baseball karma turning on them now, so be it.

Same as the "empty hand" play kick-started the Patriots dynasty and sent the Raiders into a tailspin...

Karma's a big, fat, ugly, castrating bitch...

 

[erg57]

If steinbrenner was alive and viable, replay would be in place next year...if not by tomorrow

 

[manchild98]

I think you have to limit it to one. With multiple challenges, managers would use them to break momentum. With one challenge, managers would have a tough decision on what plays to use them.

Any player can break momentum at any time. A catcher can go out to the mound over and over like they are having problems with the hand signals. A pitching coach can go to the mound. The pitcher can step off the mound. A batter can step out of the box. He can pretend he has something in his eye. He can go back to the dugout and grab a new bat.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think you have to limit it to one. With multiple challenges, managers would use them to break momentum. With one challenge, managers would have a tough decision on what plays to use them.

Agree. You mean JV is killing us. lets throw out a challenge.

The Yankees dynasty has been fueled by favorable calls. If this is baseball karma turning on them now, so be it.

Same as the "empty hand" play kick-started the Patriots dynasty and sent the Raiders into a tailspin...

Karma's a big, fat, ugly, castrating bitch...

1000% agree. I've seen the Yankees get so lucky they they get WS wins because of it. About fk'n time.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Any player can break momentum at any time. A catcher can go out to the mound over and over like they are having problems with the hand signals. A pitching coach can go to the mound. The pitcher can step off the mound. A batter can step out of the box. He can pretend he has something in his eye. He can go back to the dugout and grab a new bat.

So why add more.

 

[manchild98]

So why add more.

So you don't have a costly umpire mistake that screws you out of something. I'll risk that the game takes an extra 5-10 minutes if a manger wants to use 3 challenges. And if a manager challenges a call and it doesn't go his way, he cannot come out and argue it. If he steps foot out of the dugout it's an immediate ejection...for that game and the next.

To me no one is ever able to make a valid argument why replay should not be used in more situations. I don't care if an NFL game, a baseball game or even a tennis match takes another few minutes to have a chance to get a call correct. If I was worried about the time it takes to complete these games then I wouldn't be a fan in the first place. Do you know what I do when a game ends...I look for another one to watch.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

Baseball has 3 things going against it which has cost it mainstream audience

1) Steroids

2) Lockout/Exploding Salaries

3) Pace of Play. Football has blown up in the last 20 years because it's faster, easier to follow (one game a week), and because of fantasy football (again easier to follow because of games only being once/twice a week).

Getting back to pace of play in a society that continues to evolve towards snippets, blogs, 140 character maximum tweets, people do not digest baseball like they used to. The sheer amount of entertainment options that have evolved leave less room for baseball. Making the game longer is not going to help draw more casual fans. The die hards like ourselves will continue to follow but baseball has to tread lightly on replay and balance accurate calls and game length.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So you don't have a costly umpire mistake that screws you out of something. I'll risk that the game takes an extra 5-10 minutes if a manger wants to use 3 challenges. And if a manager challenges a call and it doesn't go his way, he cannot come out and argue it. If he steps foot out of the dugout it's an immediate ejection...for that game and the next.

To me no one is ever able to make a valid argument why replay should not be used in more situations. I don't care if an NFL game, a baseball game or even a tennis match takes another few minutes to have a chance to get a call correct. If I was worried about the time it takes to complete these games then I wouldn't be a fan in the first place. Do you know what I do when a game ends...I look for another one to watch.

I don't think Managers should be allowed to challenge even if its limited to 3. So if he hasn't used any early, use all 3 in the 9th inning? That would suck. Nothing like making the pitcher wait, and wait and wait.

Bitching happens but as we all know Umps make correct calls about 98% of the time. Its also a way for a manager to get one of his RP time to warm up without officially going to the pitcher mound twice.

The only way I see it work is with an extra man upstairs and he calls down when he sees a bad call. And it would have to be a play like last nights not the call on Cano. It would have to be very limited.

 

[manchild98]

I don't think Managers should be allowed to challenge even if its limited to 3. So if he hasn't used any early, use all 3 in the 9th inning? That would suck. Nothing like making the pitcher wait, and wait and wait.

Bitching happens but as we all know Umps make correct calls about 98% of the time. Its also a way for a manager to get one of his RP time to warm up without officially going to the pitcher mound twice.

The only way I see it work is with an extra man upstairs and he calls down when he sees a bad call. And it would have to be a play like last nights not the call on Cano. It would have to be very limited.

Well I definetly prefer the college football replay system over any challenge system. It's the best and the one that takes the least amount of time.

 

[manchild98]

Baseball has 3 things going against it which has cost it mainstream audience

1) Steroids

2) Lockout/Exploding Salaries

3) Pace of Play. Football has blown up in the last 20 years because it's faster, easier to follow (one game a week), and because of fantasy football (again easier to follow because of games only being once/twice a week).

Getting back to pace of play in a society that continues to evolve towards snippets, blogs, 140 character maximum tweets, people do not digest baseball like they used to. The sheer amount of entertainment options that have evolved leave less room for baseball. Making the game longer is not going to help draw more casual fans. The die hards like ourselves will continue to follow but baseball has to tread lightly on replay and balance accurate calls and game length.

I've always said football is king because they only play once a week and the majority of the teams play 80%-100% on Sunday. If you miss your team play that week you have to wait an entire week to see them again. But I disagree on the pace. A football game takes over 3 hours to play.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

completely agree mitch..I don't think people are taking into account what taking the reigns off instant replay would do for the pace of the game. They can't just jump into it with both feet and I fully expect that they won't do that.

There are too many situations which X actions result from Y call/outcome that would be totally reverted if you go back and change the call.

 

[Mitchrapp]

On average football games take longer than they use to because of all the passing. Clock gets stooped much more often than the past.