Coronainsanity

[tomdalton22]

The ages of the people dying is shifting downwards since we've prioritized vaccinating older people

I would assume that the death rate has lowered since it's mostly younger people.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I would assume that the death rate has lowered since it's mostly younger people.

Yeah. But testing has also dropped off so we don't know as well how many are getting it anymore. Deaths are down to 950 a day, which isn't good, but is better than a month ago. Models have it hanging on for another month. But I don't know how up to date they are anymore either.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I would assume that the death rate has lowered since it's mostly younger people.

One would think, but no.

Since old people are all of a sudden more likely to be immune, the virus has mutated and adapted to be more lethal to people of younger ages.

As the vaccine penetrates the population downward in age, so will the expansion of deaths amongst the young cavalcade at a simultaneously increasing and decreasing rate - increasing in deaths while decreasing in age.

Soon, all that will be left for virus to target and kill will be unborn fetuses.

It will be like Clive Owen?s Kingdom of Men, in which humanity faces extinction.

And we will all long for the day of the early pandemic, when the worst case scenario was that the virus was only 30 times more deadly than the flu.

 

[Gulo Blue]

One would think, but no.

Since old people are all of a sudden more likely to be immune, the virus has mutated and adapted to be more lethal to people of younger ages.

As the vaccine penetrates the population downward in age, so will the expansion of deaths amongst the young cavalcade at a simultaneously increasing and decreasing rate - increasing in deaths while decreasing in age.

Soon, all that will be left for virus to target and kill will be unborn fetuses.

It will be like Clive Owen?s Kingdom of Men, in which humanity faces extinction.

And we will all long for the day of the early pandemic, when the worst case scenario was that the virus was only 30 times more deadly than the flu.

There seem to be more contagious, but not more deadly strains evolving.

There also may be younger people (including people in their 30s-50-s) letting their guard down compared to a month ago.

 

[tinselwolverine]

There seem to be more contagious, but not more deadly strains evolving.

There also may be younger people (including people in their 30s-50-s) letting their guard down compared to a month ago.

Why would you even have responded to such a ludicrous post?

Just the fact that a Clive Owen movie - ANY Clive Owen movie - was referenced - should have been a dead giveaway.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Why would you even have responded to such a ludicrous post?

Just the fact that a Clive Owen movie - ANY Clive Owen movie - was referenced - should have been a dead giveaway.

I was thinking about saying that in my previous post. Your post put me over the edge. I just had to add 2 more cents

 

[tinselwolverine]

I was thinking about saying that in my previous post. Your post put me over the edge. I just had to add 2 more cents

That the Clive Owen reference - any Clive Owen reference - was a dead giveaway?

I know, right?

That said, Children of Men is a pretty good movie.

 

[Gulo Blue]

That the Clive Owen reference - any Clive Owen reference - was a dead giveaway?

I know, right?

That said, Children of Men is a pretty good movie.

I don't really know Clive Owen. Children of Men might be the only thing I've seen.

 

[zyxt9]

The hidden issue that is under-emphasized is that having the vaccine does not prevent one from carrying the virus and spreading it.

So as people become vaccinated, they are resuming normal life behavior but the virus is now able to hide amongst a much more massive subset of "Typhoid Mary"s...maybe we should call them "Covid Carry"s, but I digress.

As a result, those who have not yet been vaccinated are interacting with others but with far less concern to their own health because they are vaccinated. They are not considering the millions who are yet to be vaccinated, and the unvaccinated are becoming more exposed as the virus expands through the vaccinated public.

The government is ok with that because they want more and more people vaccinated, and this resulting spike in cases plays right into their desire. This IS the reason behind the current spike, but the government does not want people to be afraid of those who are vaccinated so they do not report on this at all, they just play it off as the fault is entirely on those who are not yet vaccinated being the whole problem while their COVID Carry army marches forward to infect everyone it possibly can.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The hidden issue that is under-emphasized is that having the vaccine does not prevent one from carrying the virus and spreading it.

I think it does, like 80-95% of the time. Which is enough if most people get it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The hidden issue that is under-emphasized is that having the vaccine does not prevent one from carrying the virus and spreading it.

So as people become vaccinated, they are resuming normal life behavior but the virus is now able to hide amongst a much more massive subset of "Typhoid Mary"s...maybe we should call them "Covid Carry"s, but I digress.

As a result, those who have not yet been vaccinated are interacting with others but with far less concern to their own health because they are vaccinated. They are not considering the millions who are yet to be vaccinated, and the unvaccinated are becoming more exposed as the virus expands through the vaccinated public.

The government is ok with that because they want more and more people vaccinated, and this resulting spike in cases plays right into their desire. This IS the reason behind the current spike, but the government does not want people to be afraid of those who are vaccinated so they do not report on this at all, they just play it off as the fault is entirely on those who are not yet vaccinated being the whole problem while their COVID Carry army marches forward to infect everyone it possibly can.

WTF?

Cite ANY evidence to support your claim.

ALL the data contradicts it.

 

[Thumb]

WTF?

Cite ANY evidence to support your claim.

ALL the data contradicts it.

He wont, just like the post he made about how democrats want illegals to vote, he never backs his bullshit up, but he's about to come and deflect

 

[byco42]

I don't really know Clive Owen. Children of Men might be the only thing I've seen.

Clive Owen, BMW Films. Recommend all of them.

ALSO: Did you see The Bourne Identity?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Clive Owen, BMW Films. Recommend all of them.

ALSO: Did you see The Bourne Identity?

Oh, yeah.

Seen the whole Bourne franchise.

Inside Man also really good.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Clive Owen, BMW Films. Recommend all of them.

ALSO: Did you see The Bourne Identity?

Did not see Bourne Identity
Maybe part of a Bourne movie on a plane or something - buried Manchurian candidate secret against skills in the back of his head? Like - "Why do I know self defense? I need to find the people that programmed me with self-defense?"

 

[zyxt9]

WTF?

Cite ANY evidence to support your claim.

ALL the data contradicts it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pr...429396/can-you-spread-covid-19-after-vaccine/

Can we relax and discuss this rationally for a moment?

1st dose is roughly 50% effective and 2nd dose is roughly 95%. Add to that the best guess MINIMUM of 10% of population who have been asymptomatic even before the vaccines and those percents drop a few points in terms of mathematical probabilities.

Now, multiply this by Human Nature factors of people having cabin fever and making decisions to lower their guard because they have been vaccinated and are, as a result, more willing to resume more normal behaviors...and combined with the number of non-vaccinated (whether anti-vax or still awaiting vax) who are naturally fed up and behaving less in accordance with guidelines.

So here we have millions vaccinated, yet a spike is/was happening...but somehow my comment that vaccinated people can still carry asymptomatically is somehow, someway being treated as an impossibility by so many.

My apologies if my statements came across as implying every vaccinated person is carrying it...that is not what I was intending to say. However, I stand by my statement that among vaccinated people there will be carriers and with both Vax and non-vax groups behaving with lower regards to the official guidelines, this is an under-reported element to why we have a spike after millions have been vaxed.

The understanding that there is a percentage of vaccinated individuals carrying Covid and spreading it should be undeniable. To what percent Scientists have either not yet performed sufficient amount of studies or for some reason have been unwilling to report their findings (perhaps awaiting peer review)...but this is NOT a tin-foil anti-govt conspiracy comment, rather an undersyanding that science is not instantaneous.

Unfortunately some may have misinterpreted my comments to be along the anti-vax propaganda when that was not intended. I am awaiting my turn to get mine, believing others are more vulnerable to the more extreme reactions to Covid than myself based on my prior health history and several members of my family with worse general health (smoking, obesity, thyroid, and other issues) have caught it and only experienced mild reactions. I recognize I am taking a gamble, as evidenced by my neighbor who died from it...but I still prefer awaiting my turn as it comes which allows someone else who, whether due to fears or rationales, believes they need to get it before me. If I am last in line, well...someone has to be and I am ok with being toward the back so that others can have theirs first. But getting vaxed is my preference over not getting it. Whether that is in 2 weeks or 2 months is nor a pressing concern for my personal preference or comfort. As I told my relatives when they got it and were freaking out, in the US the mortality rate is under 2%, so there is a 98% chance everything will be ok...and that is again with full knowledge that my 39yo healthy neighbor died from it, leaving behind his wife and 2 daughters, the oldest who is in same grade as my son and youngest in Kindergarten...and whom I have helped whenever needed including clearing the 2ft snow storm we had, taking out garbage, and other general tasks as she suffers through depression and PTSD stemming from being on the phone with her sister who is a Dr at the hospital when her husband coded 3 times, was given a time of death but somehow came back, only to die 3 weeks later. So, yeah...I have seen the very bad nature of this. And he was always careful, not an unbeliever or non-follower of guidelines...no idea how or where he got it as no one else in family had it, nor friends, nor co-workers.

Now, if anyone wishes to discuss this with a similarly calm and respectful demeanor...feel free...but I will not engage further disrespectful insults or behaviors directed toward me on this topic from the multitudes. For the record I replied to your post trusting you are capable of not only providing counterpoints respectfully, but hopefully with a touch of your witty nature that is neither far right nor left politically...which is increasingly rare unfortunately...but understand if nothing comes forth.

And thanks for hearing me out.

 

[zyxt9]

I think it does, like 80-95% of the time. Which is enough if most people get it.

I agree with your percentages...but that means anywhere from 5-20% are potential carriers. Out of 100 million who will be vaxed soon, that leaves 5-20 million asymptomatic carriers who are more willing to let down their defenses, as are those around them as people grow weary. And this is only the US. As those millions interact with unvaxed, they have potential to spread it and cause a spike like we see happening.

 

[tinselwolverine]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pr...429396/can-you-spread-covid-19-after-vaccine/

Can we relax and discuss this rationally for a moment?

1st dose is roughly 50% effective and 2nd dose is roughly 95%. Add to that the best guess MINIMUM of 10% of population who have been asymptomatic even before the vaccines and those percents drop a few points in terms of mathematical probabilities.

Now, multiply this by Human Nature factors of people having cabin fever and making decisions to lower their guard because they have been vaccinated and are, as a result, more willing to resume more normal behaviors...and combined with the number of non-vaccinated (whether anti-vax or still awaiting vax) who are naturally fed up and behaving less in accordance with guidelines.

So here we have millions vaccinated, yet a spike is/was happening...but somehow my comment that vaccinated people can still carry asymptomatically is somehow, someway being treated as an impossibility by so many.

My apologies if my statements came across as implying every vaccinated person is carrying it...that is not what I was intending to say. However, I stand by my statement that among vaccinated people there will be carriers and with both Vax and non-vax groups behaving with lower regards to the official guidelines, this is an under-reported element to why we have a spike after millions have been vaxed.

The understanding that there is a percentage of vaccinated individuals carrying Covid and spreading it should be undeniable. To what percent Scientists have either not yet performed sufficient amount of studies or for some reason have been unwilling to report their findings (perhaps awaiting peer review)...but this is NOT a tin-foil anti-govt conspiracy comment, rather an undersyanding that science is not instantaneous.

Unfortunately some may have misinterpreted my comments to be along the anti-vax propaganda when that was not intended. I am awaiting my turn to get mine, believing others are more vulnerable to the more extreme reactions to Covid than myself based on my prior health history and several members of my family with worse general health (smoking, obesity, thyroid, and other issues) have caught it and only experienced mild reactions. I recognize I am taking a gamble, as evidenced by my neighbor who died from it...but I still prefer awaiting my turn as it comes which allows someone else who, whether due to fears or rationales, believes they need to get it before me. If I am last in line, well...someone has to be and I am ok with being toward the back so that others can have theirs first. But getting vaxed is my preference over not getting it. Whether that is in 2 weeks or 2 months is nor a pressing concern for my personal preference or comfort. As I told my relatives when they got it and were freaking out, in the US the mortality rate is under 2%, so there is a 98% chance everything will be ok...and that is again with full knowledge that my 39yo healthy neighbor died from it, leaving behind his wife and 2 daughters, the oldest who is in same grade as my son and youngest in Kindergarten...and whom I have helped whenever needed including clearing the 2ft snow storm we had, taking out garbage, and other general tasks as she suffers through depression and PTSD stemming from being on the phone with her sister who is a Dr at the hospital when her husband coded 3 times, was given a time of death but somehow came back, only to die 3 weeks later. So, yeah...I have seen the very bad nature of this. And he was always careful, not an unbeliever or non-follower of guidelines...no idea how or where he got it as no one else in family had it, nor friends, nor co-workers.

Now, if anyone wishes to discuss this with a similarly calm and respectful demeanor...feel free...but I will not engage further disrespectful insults or behaviors directed toward me on this topic from the multitudes. For the record I replied to your post trusting you are capable of not only providing counterpoints respectfully, but hopefully with a touch of your witty nature that is neither far right nor left politically...which is increasingly rare unfortunately...but understand if nothing comes forth.

And thanks for hearing me out.

The data indicates that the possibility is so low that it?s really outlier level stuff.

Right - vaccinations won’t make everyone 100% safe from dying of Covid just like every year the flu vaccine doesn’t make everyone 100% safe from dying of the flu.

Seat belts and air bags don’t prevent every motor vehicle collision death.

The data indicates the vaccine is effective enough that spread from the vaccinated - that results in death - will again, be outlier level.

I didn?t fully hear you out. I read it down to the point where I bolded above, and the prospect of continuing down that imponderable wall of text seemed to me to be about the 1000th best use of my time going forward.

Why don?t you go back to the point where I stopped reading, rewrite it from there and make your point using about 25% of the verbiage that you?ve used above?

Maybe break it up into more paragraphs.

Your posts are often very hard on the eyes.

 

[zyxt9]

https://www.uab.edu/news/youcanuse/item/11817-can-i-still-get-covid-19-after-getting-vaccinated

 

[zyxt9]

So the percents are small, but people are yelling at me that it is impossible, that science says it is not true.

What science really says is a virus is not killed instantly by a vaccine. That vaxed people can and do carry it, most likely asymptomatically, just for shorter durations than someone who is full blown contagious.