Coronainsanity

[zyxt9]

So we are seeing a spike now...not huge, smaller than last year...but it coincides with timeline after vaccines started rolling out.

Not every new infection is due to vaxed people, but likely it is a percent that took what would have been a moderate bump and turned it into a bigger spike.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So we are seeing a spike now...not huge, smaller than last year...but it coincides with timeline after vaccines started rolling out.

Not every new infection is due to vaxed people, but likely it is a percent that took what would have been a moderate bump and turned it into a bigger spike.

The spikes are in cases where a young people are tested because they are required to to return back to their lives; going back to college and so forth.

Hospitalizations and deaths continue to drop precipitously.

 

[zyxt9]

Vaxed people are more likely to lower defenses, and governments and groups are saying if someone is vaxed they can go back to almost normal...increasing chances they contact someone not yet vaxed. Out of all vaxed, maybe a hundredth of a percent are actively infecting non-vaxed. So out of soon to be 100 million, that would be roughly 10,000 new infections stemming from vaxed people we just had an average 7 day increase in cases reported that was 5,000+ more cases per day across US. We had been trending down, now trending up in terms of daily reported cases.

Now, as more people are vaccinated, I fully expect this number to drop at a steady rate again, I am merely making an observation that what might be a reason for the uptick is vaxed people unknowingly increasing spread temporarily because they have potential to be contagious despite being vaxed coupled with human nature to start letting down defenses.

 

[zyxt9]

The spikes are in cases where a young people are tested because they are required to to return back to their lives; going back to college and so forth.

Hospitalizations and deaths continue to drop precipitously.

I did not claim hospitalizations or deaths were increasing, merely cases are up and that vaxed spreading is a viable contributing factor based on science and human behavior.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Vaxed people are more likely to lower defenses, and governments and groups are saying if someone is vaxed they can go back to almost normal...increasing chances they contact someone not yet vaxed. Out of all vaxed, maybe a hundredth of a percent are actively infecting non-vaxed. So out of soon to be 100 million, that would be roughly 10,000 new infections stemming from vaxed people we just had an average 7 day increase in cases reported that was 5,000+ more cases per day across US. We had been trending down, now trending up in terms of daily reported cases.

Now, as more people are vaccinated, I fully expect this number to drop at a steady rate again, I am merely making an observation that what might be a reason for the uptick is vaxed people unknowingly increasing spread temporarily because they have potential to be contagious despite being vaxed coupled with human nature to start letting down defenses.

After two weeks, yes.

What did you think the whole point of developing/distributing the vaccinations was?

Just a fun activity for us as a country to do?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Don't forget,

SPRING BREAK! WOO!

 

[tinselwolverine]

Don't forget,

SPRING BREAK! WOO!

They?re not vaxxed.

But they?re also (with extremely high probability) not going to die.

Grandma?s now vaxxed.

So they?re (with extremely high probability) not going to kill grandma.

And happiness reigned throughout the kingdom.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SjTyoDXUfdM

 

[Gulo Blue]

They?re not vaxxed.

But they?re also (with extremely high probability) not going to die.

Grandma?s now vaxxed.

So they?re (with extremely high probability) not going to kill grandma.

And happiness reigned throughout the kingdom.

Yeah, the recent articles about how younger people are dying are talking about 50 year old. But I think the spring break woo crowd might help spread it to the 50 year olds.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yeah, the recent articles about how younger people are dying are talking about 50 year old. But I think the spring break woo crowd might help spread it to the 50 year olds.

For almost a week, any 50 year old in California who wanted wanted to get the vaccine has been able to.

The supply has been greater than the demand.

I don?t know about other states, but California has pretty much been the worst in the vaccine roll out.

So if any 50 year old in California can have gotten it, probably every 50 years old in the country can also have.

On April 15, in California anyone 16 and older will be able to get the vaccine.

J’Biden just decreed that on April 19, anyone 18 and older can get the vaccine.

 

[Gulo Blue]

For almost a week, any 50 year old in California wanted won to get the vaccine has been able to.

The supply has been greater than the demand.

I don?t know about other states, but California has pretty much been the worst in the vaccine roll out.

So if any 50 year old in California ca have gotten it, probably every 50 years old in the country can also have.

That's terrible. 34/18% vaccinated (1 dose/2 dose) and running out of demand? Maybe we will get to 2.2 million covid deaths after all.

 

[tinselwolverine]

That's terrible. 34/18% vaccinated (1 dose/2 dose) and running out of demand? Maybe we will get to 2.2 million covid deaths after all.

Probably not.

People who know they?re in risk categories will probably get vaxxed.

If I were under 50 with no co-morbidities, I would probably eschew the vax.


I just turned 60; my doc recommended it; I went ahead and got the J&J Saturday.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If I were under 50 with no co-morbidities, I would probably eschew the vax.

Do we want variants? Because this is how we get variants.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Do we want variants? Because this is how we get variants.

I?ll pass on the variants, thank you.

Just whiskey and beer with the steak, slaw instead of fries, please.

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.fox8live.com/2021/04/05/locals-react-covid-double-mutant-discovered-california/

‘Double mutant’ COVID strain discovered in California

Spike mutations are more likely to render the current vaccine worthless and while they say they don't know if this double mutation is resistant to the vaccine, I think I read the South Africa variant, which is a change to the spike protein, does appear to be covered by the mRNA vaccines.

 

[tinselwolverine]

https://www.fox8live.com/2021/04/05/locals-react-covid-double-mutant-discovered-california/



?Spike mutations are more likely to render the current vaccine worthless and while they say they don't know if this double mutation is resistant to the vaccine, I think I read the South Africa variant, which is a change to the spike protein, does appear to be covered by the mRNA vaccines.?

I didn?t see what I put in quotation marks in what I quoted anywhere in the link.

Everything in the link says the opposite - the vaccine should be effective or partially effective against the variants and mutations.

That?s what I?m hearing elsewhere also.

I?m even watching the dumb ass governor of California saying that on television right now.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I didn?t see what I put in quotation marks in what I quoted anywhere in the link.

Everything in the link says the opposite - the vaccine should be effective or partially effective against the variants and mutations.

That?s what I?m hearing elsewhere also.

I?m even watching the dumb ass governor of California saying that on television right now.

Sorry - that was unclear. I'm commenting with things I've heard elsewhere that I think are relevant to this story. That when it comes to vaccine effectiveness, changes to the spike are particularly worrisome, but the 1 case where the spike mutated that I'm aware of, the 'South African variant' appears to be covered by whichever vaccine they have enough data to weigh in on - things look good. I don't recall which one.

The article says

This variant has the L452R mutation found in the CA variant, as well as another significant spike mutation, E484Q. This same position is mutated to a different amino acid (K) in both the South Africa and Brazil (P.1 and P.2) variants.

One confirmed case by sequencing at Stanford, 7 presumptive by screening RT-PCR.

It's not known yet if this variant is more infectious or is resistant to vaccine antibodies.?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Sorry - that was unclear. I'm commenting with things I've heard elsewhere that I think are relevant to this story. That when it comes to vaccine effectiveness, changes to the spike are particularly worrisome, but the 1 case where the spike mutated that I'm aware of, the 'South African variant' appears to be covered by whichever vaccine they have enough data to weigh in on - things look good. I don't recall which one.

The article says

Starting with ?he and Kanter said the double mutant found in the U.S. should not prompt panic?? and reading forward, Dr. Gerry indicates that the vaccines should at least be mitigating against any and all variants, and the vaccines can be modified if need be.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Starting with ?he and Kanter said the double mutant found in the U.S. should not prompt panic?? and reading forward, Dr. Gerry indicates that the vaccines should at least be mitigating against any and all variants, and the vaccines can be modified if need be.

I guess I'm still on the other side of this thing. It's not panic - it's missing out on the chance I've been optimistic about. With 90% efficacy, if everyone got the vaccine, we could put this thing behind us and get back to normal. If it's only like 50% and this thing mutates like the flu, we could have mask and distancing seasons periodically forever.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I guess I'm still on the other side of this thing. It's not panic - it's missing out on the chance I've been optimistic about. With 90% efficacy, if everyone got the vaccine, we could put this thing behind us and get back to normal. If it's only like 50% and this thing mutates like the flu, we could have mask and distancing seasons periodically forever.

Mutations endemically become less and less virulent.

It?s an instinctual evolutionary process for the virus. When the virus is lethal to the host, the host isn?t viable ? the virus can?t survive in the host after the host is dead.

New mutations adapt to decrease lethality in order to maintain the viability of the host.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Mutations endemically become less and less virulent.

It?s an instinctual evolutionary process for the virus. When the virus is lethal to the host, the host isn?t viable ? the virus can?t survive in the host after the host is dead.

New mutations adapt to decrease lethality in order to maintain the viability of the host.

Yeah, but 6G is faster than 5G.