Coronainsanity

[byco42]

Pure propaganda: link

My interest stems from a pending 5th grandchild this fall. My daughter, fully on board with the COVID narrative, will not get a vaccine until the baby is born.

This is jaw (from the link) dropping:

A joint statement released in February by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), the American Society for Reproductive Medicine (ASRM) and the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) reassured women that the COVID-19 vaccine did not show signs of causing infertility.

?As experts in reproductive health, we continue to recommend that the vaccine be available to pregnant individuals. We also assure patients that there is no evidence that the vaccine can lead to loss of fertility," their statement read.


"While fertility was not specifically studied(!) in the clinical trials of the vaccine, no loss of fertility has been reported among trial participants or among the millions who have received the vaccines since their authorization, and no signs of infertility appeared in animal studies.Loss of fertility is scientifically unlikely.?​

Out"write" deception. Excellent by all standards of the term.

From the ACOG directly: "Unfounded claims linking COVID-19 vaccines to infertility have been scientifically disproven. Very clever wording ... it does not account for possible valid claims. And since, by its own admission "fertility was not specifically studied," what, exactly has been "scientifically disproven?"

And, you can't make this up! (Or can you?) SOURCE: CDC.gov

Pregnant people are at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19

"Although the overall risk of severe illness is low, pregnant people are at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19 when compared to non-pregnant people (note: read, 'women')." Remember -- "science."

This is the headline in the very next paragraph:

Limited data are available about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines for [women] who are pregnant

"Clinical trials that look at the safety and how well the COVID-19 vaccines work in pregnant people are underway or planned. Vaccine manufacturers are also monitoring data from people in the clinical trials who received vaccine and became pregnant."

Connect the dots yourself. It's easy in regards to the misinformation, making the discovery of the truth, based on this content, impossible by design.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't know if I'm refuting or feeding this narrative. This dot might just reinforce what you think you're seeing - I don't see it, but that doesn't seem like a good reason to self-sensor.

You know what absolutely crushes birth rates? Wealth.

The places that have the most vaccine already have the lowest birthrates.

 

[Michchamp]

friend of mine and his fianc?e are expecting. he said they started to ask their doctor about her getting the COVID vaccine, and he cut them off and said in no uncertain terms to get it.

He said pregnant women (with their immune systems suppressed by pregnancy) have a HUGE risk if they get sick. She wasn't in a position to quarantine or quit work until after the pregnancy. They need the money and she works in education, and the department leaders have been making all their employees show up in the office and sit around (even when school is out) out of fear of budget cuts if they look idle.

The machine needs human sacrifice to operate.

 

[tinselwolverine]

friend of mine and his fianc?e are expecting. he said they started to ask their doctor about her getting the COVID vaccine, and he cut them off and said in no uncertain terms to get it.

He said pregnant women (with their immune systems suppressed by pregnancy) have a HUGE risk if they get sick. She wasn't in a position to quarantine or quit work until after the pregnancy. They need the money and she works in education, and the department leaders have been making all their employees show up in the office and sit around (even when school is out) out of fear of budget cuts if they look idle.

The machine needs human sacrifice to operate.

And shit like this is new to public education, and public work generally speaking, because?

 

[byco42]

I don't know if I'm refuting or feeding this narrative. This dot might just reinforce what you think you're seeing - I don't see it, but that doesn't seem like a good reason to self-sensor.

You know what absolutely crushes birth rates? Wealth.

The places that have the most vaccine already have the lowest birthrates.

What I?m seeing is that no one knows what effect COVID vaccines have on fertility, but ?they? say there is no evidence that the vaccine has a detrimental effect on fertility.

What I?m seeing is a delusive narrative. And confusion, as usual, to ever promote the efficacy of the vaccines.

 

[Michchamp]

And shit like this is new to public education, and public work generally speaking, because?

Well... as I see it, Public sector waste and laziness - two traits typical in most human beings in my experience - is bad, but private sector waste and laziness is good because the latter funnels money to the top 1%, while the former doesn't, and the 1% owns the newspapers and media that form our public opinions.

 

[Gulo Blue]

What I?m seeing is that no one knows what effect COVID vaccines have on fertility, but ?they? say there is no evidence that the vaccine has a detrimental effect on fertility.

What I?m seeing is a delusive narrative. And confusion, as usual, to ever promote the efficacy of the vaccines.

There's more than enough false information against vaccination to push back against the occasional slip in pro-vaccine information.

 

[byco42]

friend of mine and his fianc?e are expecting. he said they started to ask their doctor about her getting the COVID vaccine, and he cut them off and said in no uncertain terms to get it.

He said pregnant women (with their immune systems suppressed by pregnancy) have a HUGE risk if they get sick. She wasn't in a position to quarantine or quit work until after the pregnancy. They need the money and she works in education, and the department leaders have been making all their employees show up in the office and sit around (even when school is out) out of fear of budget cuts if they look idle.

The machine needs human sacrifice to operate.

Here?s what the CDC says about COVID and pregancy

 

[Gulo Blue]

We also don't know what effect covid has on pregnancy. I think I heard they are looking at 66 symptoms as possibly related to 'long covid'.

 

[byco42]

There's more than enough false information against vaccination to push back against the occasional slip in pro-vaccine information.

Right, vaccines are safe enough to not hold the manufacturers of the vaccines liable for proven, serious side effects, even these COVID vaccines that are EUAs are exempt. Someone gets a COVID shot and dies, (more than 3,000 presently, according to the CDC) but there?s no proven correlation. But everyone who gets COVID and dies, dies from COVID, though the 2.6 co-morbidities are not a factor in any way.

Anyway, we?ve lapped this course already.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Right, vaccines are safe enough to not hold the manufacturers of the vaccines liable for proven, serious side effects, even these COVID vaccines that are EUAs are exempt. Someone gets a COVID shot and dies, (more than 3,000 presently, according to the CDC) but there?s no proven correlation. But everyone who gets COVID and dies, dies from COVID, though the 2.6 co-morbidities are not a factor in any way.

Anyway, we?ve lapped this course already.

This approach is how perfect gets in the way of good. Not even that, it's how unfortunate gets in the way of complete disaster.

I don't understand still questioning covid death attribution now that we know it was the deadliest year in the US since the WW1 and Spanish Flu hit at the same time.

 

[byco42]

This approach is how perfect gets in the way of good. Not even that, it's how unfortunate gets in the way of complete disaster.

It will become disastrous when we are all mandated to receive the vaccine on a yearly basis.

I don't understand still questioning covid death attribution now that we know it was the deadliest year in the US since the WW1 and Spanish Flu hit at the same time.

Because of ICD code U07.1 ?probable and presumed? are lumped in with ?confirmed.? We?ve had this conversation, too.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It will become disastrous when we are all mandated to receive the vaccine on a yearly basis.

Will become disastrous? What do you call last year? 1% of the US died for the 1st time in over 100 years.

 

[Gulo Blue]

We didn't have a sudden wave spontaneous comorbidities that just appeared out of nowhere last year.

 

[byco42]

Will become disastrous? What do you call last year? 1% of the US died for the 1st time in over 100 years.

All right, I?ll concede that. But here?s another disastrous CDC number: 614,820. That?s the number of abortions conducted in the US in 2018. So it appears the % of US deaths in 2020 was more like 3%, and more than 1% have been dying in the US for decades now.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Even as bad as last year was, I don't think people realize how dangerous this thing was. The precautions we took crushed the flu. We could have done a lot better, but it also could have been a lot worse.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Right, vaccines are safe enough to not hold the manufacturers of the vaccines liable for proven, serious side effects, even these COVID vaccines that are EUAs are exempt. Someone gets a COVID shot and dies, (more than 3,000 presently, according to the CDC) but there?s no proven correlation. But everyone who gets COVID and dies, dies from COVID, though the 2.6 co-morbidities are not a factor in any way.

Anyway, we?ve lapped this course already.

I calculate 0.00002% of 150,000,000, the significant majority of whom were old or in bad health or both.

Surely SOME of them, you figure, were going to die of something that wasn?t the shot.

I heard that of the 150,000,000, only around 70 or so died of the Covid since getting the shot.

So far the shots seem to have been effective.

Per my doctor?s recommendation, I went ahead and got the shot a couple weeks ago. I got the single shot Johnson and Johnson. She calculated that statistically, I was more at risk for a bad outcome with the Covid than I was with the shot.

I was contemplating foregoing it; I certainly didn?t get it as early as I would?ve been able to, but in the end I listened to my doctor whom I trust.

No prob so far.

EDIT: As to your 2nd point, I?m with you - very skeptical of the data on the death count.

 

[Michchamp]

Even as bad as last year was, I don't think people realize how dangerous this thing was. The precautions we took crushed the flu. We could have done a lot better, but it also could have been a lot worse.

the Dunning-Kreuger crowd disagrees w/you.

this was no big deal; they could've told you that a year ago, if you'd only have listened.

 

[tomdalton22]

if the COVID vaccine causes some to have a hard time having kids...there are too many people in this country anyway

 

[Gulo Blue]

Now it's in the otter population
https://www.foxnews.com/health/otters-test-positive-covid-19-georgia-aquarium