Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

if the COVID vaccine causes some to have a hard time having kids...there are too many people in this country anyway

you're not wrong.

 

[Gulo Blue]

EDIT: As to your 2nd point, I?m with you - very skeptical of the data on the death count.

How?

Why else did so many more people die than in previous years?

 

[byco42]

Even as bad as last year was, I don't think people realize how dangerous this thing was. The precautions we took crushed the flu. We could have done a lot better, but it also could have been a lot worse.

I do not agree that the US went from 33 million flu cases from October 2019-April 2020, to approx 2,000 in the very next year.

 

[byco42]

if the COVID vaccine causes some to have a hard time having kids...there are too many people in this country anyway

Was that not also the case before you were born?

 

[tomdalton22]

Now it's in the otter population
https://www.foxnews.com/health/otters-test-positive-covid-19-georgia-aquarium

not a surprise. See the photos? Four of those little fuckers are all sitting together on a rock, not wearing a mask, and not social distancing.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I just cannot wrap my head around comments regarding covid death attribution at this point. If it was off by 10 or 20 or even 50%...half as many would still be a disaster. And if there were half as many covid deaths, that would leave a higher death rate for something else that needs to be explained. Some other equally terrible tragedy that has somehow evaded detection.

If feel like I should be able to figure out this line of thinking, but I can't.

 

[tomdalton22]

Was that not also the case before you were born?

I don't know...I wasn't there.

I did look it up. There were about 201M people in the US before I was born and about 331M now.

 

[tinselwolverine]

the Dunning-Kreuger crowd disagrees w/you.

this was no big deal; they could've told you that a year ago, if you'd only have listened.

Don?t get me started on Dunning-Krueger and the Covid.

Bill Maher took care of that just this past Friday.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3gy_CLXho

If he could only PRETEND to believe in God, he could be elected president.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I do not agree that the US went from 33 million flu cases from October 2019-April 2020, to approx 2,000 in the very next year.

That seems unreasonable. I don't know any numbers, but I've heard the percentage of tests (however they decide who gets tested) coming back positive were at record lows for the 2020-2021 season. There was speculation it was the schools being shut down that had the biggest impact though, so how much overlap there is between covid prevention and flu prevention isn't clear. I think it's enough to say 'some'.

 

[tinselwolverine]

How?

Why else did so many more people die than in previous years?

Just like a lot of people don?t believe everything from the Pentagon and the DOD - with good reason - I have my misgivings with reports from the CDC.

 

[byco42]

I don't know...I wasn't there.

I did look it up. There were about 201M people in the US before I was born and about 331M now.

And we are all being herded into multi-dwelling lodgings and subs to keep us contained, so there?s at least that going for us.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Just like a lot of people don?t believe everything from the Pentagon and the DOD - with good reason - I have my misgivings with reports from the CDC.

Like the total number of deaths?

 

[byco42]

That seems unreasonable. I don't know any numbers, but I've heard the percentage of tests (however they decide who gets tested) coming back positive were at record lows for the 2020-2021 season. There was speculation it was the schools being shut down that had the biggest impact though, so how much overlap there is between covid prevention and flu prevention isn't clear. I think it's enough to say 'some'.

These are CDC numbers. Link
Scroll just past the blue box.

 

[sggatecl]

I just cannot wrap my head around comments regarding covid death attribution at this point. If it was off by 10 or 20 or even 50%...half as many would still be a disaster. And if there were half as many covid deaths, that would leave a higher death rate for something else that needs to be explained. Some other equally terrible tragedy that has somehow evaded detection.

I feel like I should be able to figure out this line of thinking, but I can't.

I linked multiple completely valid sources months ago that showed that total death rates were at a much higher total worldwide to counter the whole 'most Covid deaths weren't caused by Covid, I don't believe the CDC, etc.' argument. People blamed suicides, the flu, untrustworthy healthcare workers (lol...you're essential until you open your mouth, then you're a liar), and other random things because they can't bring themselves to admit that Covid affects more than just the elderly over 70.

Hell, one person even declared that the simple graphs "didn't make sense to him", when all they did was show total deaths from year to year. It couldn't have been more simple. People don't like to admit they're wrong and I've accepted that.

 

[Gulo Blue]

These are CDC numbers. Link
Scroll just past the blue box.

The pediatric death count is compelling, because as far as I know, there weren't a lot of pediatric deaths ID'ed as covid.

How many cases are reported could be wildly skewed due to changes in procedures, but if the % of tested cases fell off the map, that would also be compelling. 0.1% of 22k tests seems really low, but I don't know what the previous year's % was.

 

[byco42]

I just cannot wrap my head around comments regarding covid death attribution at this point. If it was off by 10 or 20 or even 50%...half as many would still be a disaster. And if there were half as many covid deaths, that would leave a higher death rate for something else that needs to be explained. Some other equally terrible tragedy that has somehow evaded detection.

If feel like I should be able to figure out this line of thinking, but I can't.

It?s pretty basic. What is the ratio of COVID-confirmed deaths versus ?probable? and ?presumed??

I think this is an important thing to know, and we don?t, even though the CDC makes the distinction.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It?s pretty basic. What is the ratio of COVID-confirmed deaths versus ?probable? and ?presumed??

I think this is an important thing to know, and we don?t, even though the CDC makes the distinction.

But without rejecting the total number of deaths, what possible ratio or explanation would justify a lower level of effort and sacrifice we put into trying to curb the spread?

 

[byco42]

But without rejecting the total number of deaths, what possible ratio or explanation would justify a lower level of effort and sacrifice we put into trying to curb the spread?

I contend that knowing these three metrics ? when we know so many more sub points about the dead ? could help us refine and specify more precise and segmented measures to prevent infection and death.

Matters that have nothing to do with masks, distancing and hand washing. I think that it?s rather irresponsible that the CDC has not emphasized some basic health measures that would help to minimize the co-morbidity factors that are so integral and essential for people to die from the virus.

I have seen too many obese people wearing a mask outside smoking cigarettes.

?Quit smoking, with better, and lose weight? are not in these directions. They should be.

Link

 

[Gulo Blue]

I contend that knowing these three metrics ? when we know so many more sub points about the dead ? could help us refine and specify more precise and segmented measures to prevent infection and death.

Matters that have nothing to do with masks, distancing and hand washing. I think that it?s rather irresponsible that the CDC has not emphasized some basic health measures that would help to minimize the co-morbidity factors that are so integral and essential for people to die from the virus.

I have seen too many obese people wearing a mask outside smoking cigarettes.

?Quit smoking, with better, and lose weight? are not in these directions. They should be.

Link

You think people don't like masks, just try to take away their personal freedoms of coke and big macs.

 

[byco42]

You think people don't like masks, just try to take away their personal freedoms of coke and big macs.

There are leaks that will never be plugged, I suppose.