Coronainsanity

[Gulo Blue]

All right, I?ll concede that. But here?s another disastrous CDC number: 614,820. That?s the number of abortions conducted in the US in 2018. So it appears the % of US deaths in 2020 was more like 3%, and more than 1% have been dying in the US for decades now.

If wearing masks, social distancing, vaccinating, and disrupting how we do everything like we did last year could cut the number of abortions in half, and if we thought it could be cut to zero if everyone could follow the rules, I wonder how that situation would pay out.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I contend that knowing these three metrics ? when we know so many more sub points about the dead ? could help us refine and specify more precise and segmented measures to prevent infection and death.

Matters that have nothing to do with masks, distancing and hand washing. I think that it?s rather irresponsible that the CDC has not emphasized some basic health measures that would help to minimize the co-morbidity factors that are so integral and essential for people to die from the virus.

I have seen too many obese people wearing a mask outside smoking cigarettes.

?Quit smoking, with better, and lose weight? are not in these directions. They should be.

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I know, right?

Look at the Maher clip I posted in 2528. He makes the same points you do, and a lot of people have been referring to it today.

Also, he makes some observations about a segment of the population that has been woefully misinformed about dangers of the virus.

I?m not going to tell you what that segment is - you?ll have to figure it out for yourself, but I?ll give you a hint - it?s the segment that only pays attention to the mainstream media.

 

[Gulo Blue]

...but you all understand 'lose weight and quit smoking' is something most people fail at and it will help you survive death in like 6 months, but it won't stem the spread to other or help you with the long covid stuff.

Wearing a mask helps you today and it's easy for most people and it helps you avoid it rather than get it, avoid spreading it, avoid contributing to the likelihood of mutations. Everyone get healthy so we can reach herd immunity by catching it is a terrible plan. Have you heard of the psychological symptoms?

 

[Gulo Blue]

One in three COVID-19 survivors received a neurological or psychiatric diagnosis within six months of infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, an observational study of more than 230,000 patient health records published in The Lancet Psychiatry journal estimates.

https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/lar...ent-mental-health-and-neurological-conditions

The more surprising statistic to me is that the baseline of what percentage of everyone has diagnosed psychological issues is higher than what I would have guessed, but it does look like covid stresses your brain.

After taking into account underlying health characteristics, such as age, sex, ethnicity and existing health conditions, there was overall a 44% greater risk of neurological and mental health diagnoses after COVID-19 than after flu, and a 16% greater risk after COVID-19 than with respiratory tract infections.

 

[byco42]

Wearing a mask helps you today and it's easy for most people and it helps you avoid it rather than get it, avoid spreading it, avoid contributing to the likelihood of mutations. Everyone get healthy so we can reach herd immunity by catching it is a terrible plan. Have you heard of the psychological symptoms?

Here's a study from Stanford university, published on the National Center for Biotechnological Information website, It concludes that masks are
"ineffective to block viral particles" and "prolonged and continues (sic) effect of wearing facemask is maladaptive and could be detrimental for health."

It's a matter of size.

According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks? thread diameter ranges from 55 ?m to 440 ?m [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask.​

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Conclusion

The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.​

Table 1
Physiological and Psychological Effects of Wearing Facemask and Their Potential Health Consequences.

Physiological Effects
? Hypoxemia
? Hypercapnia
? Shortness of breath
? Increase lactate concentration
? Decline in pH levels
? Acidosis
? Toxicity
? Inflammation
? Self-contamination
? Increase in stress hormones level (adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol)
? Increased muscle tension
? Immunosuppression

Psychological Effect
? Activation of ?fight or flight? stress response
? Chronic stress condition
? Fear
? Mood disturbances
? Insomnia
? Fatigue
? Compromised cognitive performance

Health Consequences
? Increased predisposition for viral and infection illnesses
? Headaches
? Anxiety
? Depression
? Hypertension
? Cardiovascular disease
? Cancer
? Diabetes
? Alzheimer disease
? Exacerbation of existing conditions and diseases
? Accelerated aging process
? Health deterioration
? Premature mortality

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here's a study from Stanford university

I know. But most of the water droplets you exhale are much bigger than that. They get smaller over a matter of seconds to minutes after you exhale depending on temperature and humidity due to evaporation. So a mask that can't stop you from inhaling the virus, can dramatically reduce the amount you spread to others.

 

[byco42]

I know. But most of the water droplets you exhale are much bigger than that. They get smaller over a matter of seconds to minutes after you exhale depending on temperature and humidity due to evaporation. So a mask that can't stop you from inhaling the virus, can dramatically reduce the amount you spread to others.

Somehow, I expected this counter-response. The size of exhaled water droplets based on what I've discovered range from from 0.01 and 1000 um.

"while medical and non-medical facemasks? thread diameter ranges from 55 ?m to 440 ?m."

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[Gulo Blue]

Somehow, I expected this counter-response. The size of exhaled water droplets based on what I've discovered range from from 0.01 and 1000 um.

"while medical and non-medical facemasks? thread diameter ranges from 55 ?m to 440 ?m."

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I think this general conversation is already in this thread. Distributions of sizrs would matter. 55 is a lot smaller than 1000. If the amount of virus scales with volume and dose matters, just getting the big ones might be what's effective but not foolproof about it.

 

[Michchamp]

The Nuge is out of commission with COVID-19 now, link:

"Throughout his 8-minute, 50-second video, Nugent used racist language to describe the virus, which had killed more than 570,000 people in the U.S. as of Tuesday morning, according to a running tally by NBC News.

Just four months ago, Nugent doubted that the coronavirus even existed, calling it a "scamming pandemic" and vowing not to take any vaccine.

"It's not a real pandemic and that's not a real vaccine. I'm sorry, I ain't taking no vaccine," Nugent told fans in a video on Christmas Day.

"You come at me with a needle and I will be in fear of my life," he said. "You know what I'll do if you come at me with a needle: 'Hi, I'm from the government, this needle's good for you.' F--- you."​

the article said he claimed he's so sick he can barely crawl out of bed

 

[tomdalton22]

Here's a study from Stanford university, published on the National Center for Biotechnological Information website, It concludes that masks are
"ineffective to block viral particles" and "prolonged and continues (sic) effect of wearing facemask is maladaptive and could be detrimental for health."

It's a matter of size.

According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks? thread diameter ranges from 55 ?m to 440 ?m [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask.​

Link

Conclusion

The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.​

Table 1
Physiological and Psychological Effects of Wearing Facemask and Their Potential Health Consequences.

Physiological Effects
? Hypoxemia
? Hypercapnia
? Shortness of breath
? Increase lactate concentration
? Decline in pH levels
? Acidosis
? Toxicity
? Inflammation
? Self-contamination
? Increase in stress hormones level (adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol)
? Increased muscle tension
? Immunosuppression

Psychological Effect
? Activation of ?fight or flight? stress response
? Chronic stress condition
? Fear
? Mood disturbances
? Insomnia
? Fatigue
? Compromised cognitive performance

Health Consequences
? Increased predisposition for viral and infection illnesses
? Headaches
? Anxiety
? Depression
? Hypertension
? Cardiovascular disease
? Cancer
? Diabetes
? Alzheimer disease
? Exacerbation of existing conditions and diseases
? Accelerated aging process
? Health deterioration
? Premature mortality

I found this hard to believe, so I did a quick google search. In about 5 minutes I have come to the conclusion that the "Stanford study" did not exist. Even the title of the article state that it's just a hypothesis.

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-629043235973

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stanford-nih-mask-study/

 

[byco42]

I found this hard to believe, so I did a quick google search. In about 5 minutes I have come to the conclusion that the "Stanford study" did not exist. Even the title of the article state that it's just a hypothesis.

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-629043235973

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stanford-nih-mask-study/

Did you read it?

EDIT: I also have never forgotten that Dr. Fauci said: ?there?s no reason to be walking around with a mask.? They guy was not some resident or intern. Then, the backpedaling has never ceased. And with the constant flux of information that is "rapidly changing" the one constant (after Fauci reversed his "expert" opinion 180 degrees) is to wear a mask.

Masks are a contingency.

SARS-CoV-2 is a new virus, and we are still learning about how it behaves.

There are several critical questions that need to be answered to refine guidance for prevention of COVID-19, including

How effective are mitigation efforts to prevent SARS-CoV-2 spread, especially ventilation and masking?

Source: CDC. Oct, 2020

A cloth mask offers some protection to you as well as protecting those around you. This is such a benign statement that it needs no proof.

 

[tomdalton22]

Did you read it?

EDIT: I also have never forgotten that Dr. Fauci said: ?there?s no reason to be walking around with a mask.? They guy was not some resident or intern. Then, the backpedaling has never ceased. And with the constant flux of information that is "rapidly changing" the one constant (after Fauci reversed his "expert" opinion 180 degrees) is to wear a mask.

I read a lot of it but didn't finish.

A lot of people change their opinion after getting more information. I'm sure that Fauci was pressured by Trump to say what he said early on.

I'm sure there are 100 articles about how face masks help limit the spread to every one like the one that you posted.

go do a study of your own. Put your hand out in front of your mouth...about 1' away and breath out using your mouth. Now do it with a mask on.

I would find it difficult for anyone with a brain to conclude that having a mask on and trying to stay 6' away from someone that has COVID is a bad idea.

 

[byco42]

I read a lot of it but didn't finish.

Why not? Because it came to a different conclusion from the approved narrative?

A lot of people change their opinion after getting more information. I'm sure that Fauci was pressured by Trump to say what he said early on.

I'm not. That was Fauci's informed opinion as a 40-plus-year medical veteran, who has worked for six preisdents.

go do a study of your own. Put your hand out in front of your mouth...about 1' away and breath out using your mouth. Now do it with a mask on.

When I wear a mask with glasses, they fog up. I wonder what causes that.

I would find it difficult for anyone with a brain to conclude that having a mask on and trying to stay 6' away from someone that has COVID is a bad idea.

Staying away from anyone who is sick is a good idea. Meaning nowhere near them. So that's a moot issue. In the event that I get COVID or care for someone who has it, I'd wear an N-95, fit-tested mask.

 

[tomdalton22]

When I wear a mask with glasses, they fog up. I wonder what causes that.

It's warm, moist, air coming from your lungs and going straight up towards your glasses, not out towards other people. The air is staying closer to your body. See, the mask and 6' social distancing would help others around you if you were to have COVID.

 

[byco42]

It's warm, moist, air coming from your lungs and going straight up towards your glasses, not out towards other people. The air is staying closer to your body. See, the mask and 6' social distancing would help others around you if you were to have COVID.

Air also goes through the mask. How many COVID spores are required to infect someone? We really have no idea if masks are effective or not. The CDC doesn't even know, by its own admission.

Masks are, as Fauci initially said, "for show."

 

[tomdalton22]

Air also goes through the mask. How many COVID spores are required to infect someone? We really have no idea if masks are effective or not. The CDC doesn't even know, by its own admission.

Masks are, as Fauci initially said, "for show."

well, I guess people can think what they want, since there is seems to be "evidence" on both sides.

Some people believe that masks don't work but believe Mary got pregnant without having sex:lmao:

 

[byco42]

well, I guess people can think what they want, since there is seems to be "evidence" on both sides.

Some people believe that masks don't work but believe Mary got pregnant without having sex:lmao:

You can stand up all the strawmen you'd like. As for Mary being Dei Genitrix ... it makes perfect sense to those to take the time to investigate and research. I'll leave you to that.

 

[tomdalton22]

You can stand up all the strawmen you'd like. As for Mary being Dei Genitrix ... it makes perfect sense to those to take the time to investigate and research. I'll leave you to that.

I'll do some research on the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, and santa clause while I'm at it

 

[byco42]

I'll do some research on the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, and santa clause while I'm at it

I'd start here. Link

 

[tomdalton22]

I'd start here. Link

the second sentence in

Below is a list of alleged events


here is another equally scientific site for research

https://ispotsanta.com/santa-claus-sightings/