Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

Not surprising: "Scientific paper claiming smokers less likely to acquire Covid retracted over tobacco industry links"

they are shameless

 

[tinselwolverine]

Not surprising: "Scientific paper claiming smokers less likely to acquire Covid retracted over tobacco industry links"

they are shameless

Really?

The fact that they already, ya know, grow and sell tobacco wasn?t kinda a giveaway by itself?

 

[byco42]

Really?

The fact that they already, ya know, grow and sell tobacco wasn?t kinda a giveaway by itself?

What are you talkin' about? When has the tobacco industry ever misled the American public?

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[Michchamp]

I was eating outdoors a couple weeks ago, and probably a good 20 ft away someone at another table lit a cigarette and started smoking. Lady at a table even further away than us complained about the smell to the waiter.

Crazy to think that only 20 years ago, there were still smoking and non-smoking sections INSIDE. We were so used to the smell.

 

[byco42]

I was eating outdoors a couple weeks ago, and probably a good 20 ft away someone at another table lit a cigarette and started smoking. Lady at a table even further away than us complained about the smell to the waiter.

Crazy to think that only 20 years ago, there were still smoking and non-smoking sections INSIDE. We were so used to the smell.

Many a coach in my youth talked with a Camel or an LS dangling from his mouth, including an All-American and All-Pro tight end. It was not even a consideration that this practice was detrimental to us. Not really sure now. It just "was."

 

[tomdalton22]

I was eating outdoors a couple weeks ago, and probably a good 20 ft away someone at another table lit a cigarette and started smoking. Lady at a table even further away than us complained about the smell to the waiter.

was her name Karen? :lmao:

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/25/us/michigan-covid-younger-people-hospitalized.html

Public health experts say the outbreak ? driven by the B.1.1.7 variant of the virus, which is more contagious and more severe ? is spreading rapidly in younger age groups. And across the state, doctors and nurses are increasingly reporting a concerning trend: Younger patients are coming in more often with serious cases of Covid-19.

?I am putting more patients in their 20s and 30s and 40s on oxygen and on life support than at any other time in this pandemic,? said Dr. Erin Brennan, an emergency room physician in Detroit.

The B.1.1.7 variant ? first identified in Britain and now the most common source of new infection in the United States ? is believed to be about 60 percent more contagious and 67 percent more deadly than the original form of the coronavirus. A federal estimate of Covid-19 hospitalizations based on a sample of counties in 14 states, including Michigan, showed more patients between the ages of 18 and 49 hospitalized in mid-April than those over age 65.

 

[Michchamp]

my brother told me two people he knows in Detroit got it recently... one guy was actually hospitalized, released, but suffering from what sounds like "Long COVID" now, and another, a nurse who was fully vaccinated (!!!) but got it from spending a weekend at a friend's house who had it.

the latter case was surprising, since she made it through all the prior surges and spreads in Michigan while working in a hospital unvaccinated, only to get it now. this new variant, assuming it was that, is really bad. at least her case seems to be milder than others

 

[Michchamp]

We're never going to beat COVID; it's just going to have to go away on its own.

a lot of Americans aren't going to get vaccinated, we're fighting to keep patent protection for the vaccines so that Africans, Asians and South Americans can't get them, and yet we're still allowing people from those areas to travel, and people from America to visit there, because we can't imagine not letting rich people do whatever they want...

these things are THE VERY THING that allow mutating viruses to spread and void any protections we're taking... leaving the window wide open while shutting the door. everything that goes through the window will thrive.

in a hundred years, our methods of dealing with COVID are going to look insane to future generations. at least to future generations that are not raised by and influenced by current American dumbasses.

 

[zyxt9]

We're never going to beat COVID; it's just going to have to go away on its own.

a lot of Americans aren't going to get vaccinated, we're fighting to keep patent protection for the vaccines so that Africans, Asians and South Americans can't get them, and yet we're still allowing people from those areas to travel, and people from America to visit there, because we can't imagine not letting rich people do whatever they want...

these things are THE VERY THING that allow mutating viruses to spread and void any protections we're taking... leaving the window wide open while shutting the door. everything that goes through the window will thrive.

in a hundred years, our methods of dealing with COVID are going to look insane to future generations. at least to future generations that are not raised by and influenced by current American dumbasses.

Maybe, as for NOW, it is impossible to create 8 billion vaccines and inject them before the virus mutates. The vaccines force the virus to mutate in a way that only a mutation that the vaccine does not fight remains and spreads.

Or, instead of living in complete fear of something that has a 98% recovery rate, we come to understand that this is what it is. The biggest challenge, IMO, is not people getting Covid, it is the lack of ability for the Health Care Systems to handle all of the infections at the same time. So the true problem lies in humanity's inability to provide adequate healthcare, which if it existed we would allow the virus to run its course and continue living our normal pre-Covid lives with the understanding there is a 2% chance of dying if you get infected, but that means a 98% chance of surviving...albeit with a % who suffer long term issues.

 

[Michchamp]

Maybe, as for NOW, it is impossible to create 8 billion vaccines and inject them before the virus mutates. The vaccines force the virus to mutate in a way that only a mutation that the vaccine does not fight remains and spreads.

Or, instead of living in complete fear of something that has a 98% recovery rate, we come to understand that this is what it is. The biggest challenge, IMO, is not people getting Covid, it is the lack of ability for the Health Care Systems to handle all of the infections at the same time. So the true problem lies in humanity's inability to provide adequate healthcare, which if it existed we would allow the virus to run its course and continue living our normal pre-Covid lives with the understanding there is a 2% chance of dying if you get infected, but that means a 98% chance of surviving...albeit with a % who suffer long term issues.

judging from all the out-of-date information in your post, I think you might be living in March 2020

 

[byco42]

judging from all the out-of-date information in your post, I think you might be living in March 2020

Begs the question as to where you are getting yours. The > 2% fatality rate is still accurate.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Maybe, as for NOW, it is impossible to create 8 billion vaccines and inject them before the virus mutates. The vaccines force the virus to mutate in a way that only a mutation that the vaccine does not fight remains and spreads.

Or, instead of living in complete fear of something that has a 98% recovery rate, we come to understand that this is what it is. The biggest challenge, IMO, is not people getting Covid, it is the lack of ability for the Health Care Systems to handle all of the infections at the same time. So the true problem lies in humanity's inability to provide adequate healthcare, which if it existed we would allow the virus to run its course and continue living our normal pre-Covid lives with the understanding there is a 2% chance of dying if you get infected, but that means a 98% chance of surviving...albeit with a % who suffer long term issues.

Dude, what are you talking about?

The survival rate is about 10 times higher than that.

 

[tomdalton22]

If you go by the "reported" numbers
32M confirmed cases in the US
572K deaths
1.8% mortality rate

Personally, I believe that the cases are probably about double what is reported, since there are so many people that show little or no signs / symptoms and never get tested.

I also believe that the death count is on the high side.

 

[byco42]

If you go by the "reported" numbers
32M confirmed cases in the US
572K deaths
1.8% mortality rate

Personally, I believe that the cases are probably about double what is reported, since there are so many people that show little or no signs / symptoms and never get tested.

What if it?s half, because PCR testing is a crap shoot?

I also believe that the death count is on the high side.

By what factor? I agree with you.

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Kary Mullins, inventor of the PCR test. Too bad that he died in August, 2019, but, then, I think that that actually amplifies and solidifies his negative opinion of Fauci, who he knew. This is from 1993. The contention was about testing for AIDS.

?The PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody,? Mullis once said in a public address. ?If you can amplify one single molecule up to something you can really measure, which is something you can do.?So that could be thought of as a misuse of it.?

In an interview, Mullis claimed the president of the University of South Carolina invited Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to debate Mullis, but Fauci declined.

?These guys like Fauci get up and start talking and he doesn?t know anything really about anything and I would say that to his face. Nothing,? said. ?The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it?s got a virus in there, you?ll know it. He doesn?t understand electron microscopy and he doesn?t understand medicine and he should not be in a position like he?s in. Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people and they don?t know anything about the body.

?Those guys have got an agenda which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They have a personal kind of agenda. They make up their own rules as they go; they change them when they want to. And they (are smug)?like Tony Fauci does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera.

?You can?t expect the sheep to really respect the best and the brightest. They don?t know the difference, really. I like humans, don?t get me wrong, but the vast majority don?t have the ability to judge who is and who isn?t a really good scientist.​

Imagine if Mullis hadn?t died five months before the initial case of COVID was discovered.

 

[zyxt9]

judging from all the out-of-date information in your post, I think you might be living in March 2020

Johns Hopkins:
Total Cases: 147,412,110
Total Deaths: 3,113,577

Since you are a lawyer, let me do the math for you...

3,113,577 / 147,412,110 = 0.0211215822

That would be a Mortality Rate of 2.11%. For the record, this is as of 3:20 PM EST on 4/26/2021.

This percentage has been dropping, not increasing. If you look at just the US numbers, it is actually below 2%:

US Total Cases: 32,100,846
Total Deaths: 572,361

572,361 / 32,100,846 = 0.0178300908 or 1.78%

But yeah, tell me how my numbers are from 2020.

 

[zyxt9]

If you go by the "reported" numbers
32M confirmed cases in the US
572K deaths
1.8% mortality rate

Personally, I believe that the cases are probably about double what is reported, since there are so many people that show little or no signs / symptoms and never get tested.

I also believe that the death count is on the high side.

Considering these are only the officially documented numbers, there is plenty of room for error due to all of the unreported cases.

The "experts" *cough, cough* will say there is anywhere from a 10%-50% increase in actual cases due to so many people staying home and riding it out without notifying anyone to become an official case, plus all of the asymptomatic people who are not even aware at all that they have it.

However, there are likely many cases around the world of people who died from Covid but never made it into a hospital, so those numbers likely balance this to a degree. Then you also have the Russian numbers that underreport vs the US who overreport CoD as Covid.

While I believe the Mortality Rate is likely close to 1%, I am only using the official numbers as those are considered "official"...which is different from 100% indisputable truth as that is indisputably impossible to know.

 

[tinselwolverine]

If you go by the "reported" numbers
32M confirmed cases in the US
572K deaths
1.8% mortality rate

Personally, I believe that the cases are probably about double what is reported, since there are so many people that show little or no signs / symptoms and never get tested.

I also believe that the death count is on the high side.

The CDC calculates it at about eight times as many people have been infected as are recorded to have been.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So I guess faucci and the CDC are going to announce that the chances of Covid being transmitted outdoors is minuscule.

No shit!

Oh, wait a minute - people who have been paying attention to the data and the science have only known that for, like always.

 

[Michchamp]

Johns Hopkins:
Total Cases: 147,412,110
Total Deaths: 3,113,577

Since you are a lawyer, let me do the math for you...

3,113,577 / 147,412,110 = 0.0211215822

That would be a Mortality Rate of 2.11%. For the record, this is as of 3:20 PM EST on 4/26/2021.

This percentage has been dropping, not increasing. If you look at just the US numbers, it is actually below 2%:

US Total Cases: 32,100,846
Total Deaths: 572,361

572,361 / 32,100,846 = 0.0178300908 or 1.78%

But yeah, tell me how my numbers are from 2020.

since then, "we" have learned you can't take a static mortality rate for something like covid-19 and apply it going forward.

the mortality rate was 2% with official lockdowns, bans on dining & drinking indoors, kids learning remotely, sporting events played without fans, etc., and the percentage of the population who aren't retarded taking personal precautions... all keeping the infection rate down, allowing severe cases to get health care.

had we not done those things, it's likely the mortality rate would have been higher.