Coronainsanity

[tomdalton22]

but if food prices are going up both in grocery stores and restaurants around the country, it can't be because of high restaurant workers' salaries...


ah nevermind

this is what I was talking about....

ah never mind

[/INDENT]Restaurant chain CEOs and owners will claim it's because of worker wages though, a view consistent with their economic interests. Who knows what to believe?

Too bad we can't think for ourselves and figure out why this might be happening.

 

[Michchamp]

this is what I was talking about....

ah never mind

Ah yeah. My point was that their rationale was obviously bullshit, since food prices are going up for both grocery stores and restaurants. The increase is due to the cost of inputs, not increased wages.



Guess they'll have to adapt or go out of business right? Or beg for more PPP loans they can pocket, and then whine about their workers making too much money and having too many workplace protections.

 

[Spartanmack]

but if food prices are going up both in grocery stores and restaurants around the country, it can't be because of high restaurant workers' salaries...


ah nevermind

you realize food prices AND wages can both go up, right? It's not one or the other. Also, restaurant owners and chain CEOs especially talk about the price of food all the time. Just read a financial report from any publicly traded restaurant company. Food and wage inflation both rate rather highly among their economic interests.

ah nevermind.

 

[Spartanmack]

Ah yeah. My point was that their rationale was obviously bullshit, since food prices are going up for both grocery stores and restaurants. The increase is due to the cost of inputs, not increased wages.



Guess they'll have to adapt or go out of business right? Or beg for more PPP loans they can pocket, and then whine about their workers making too much money and having too many workplace protections.

Here's another thing you clearly know nothing about. in order to get forgiveness of PPP loans, business owners have to prove they used the money to pay wages and benefits. If they can't do that, they have to repay the loans with interest.

 

[byco42]

VAERS reports more than 80,000 "adverse events" related to the COVID 19 vaccine in the US.

Approximately 10,000 have resulted in "Death; Life Threatening; Permanent Disability; Congenital Anomaly / Birth Defect *; Hospitalized; Existing Hospitalization Prolonged; Emergency Room / Office Visit **"

3,053 of the claims are solely related to "death".

It's April, 2021. Let's see where the stats are in April, 2022. Or 2025.

Mabye Moderna would be exempt anyway from litigation because what they are producing is not a vaccine, by it's own definition of their "medicine"

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Using mRNA to develop a new category of medicines.

At Moderna, we are leveraging the fundamental role that mRNA plays in protein synthesis. We have developed proprietary technologies and methods to create mRNA sequences that cells recognize as if they were produced in the body. We focus on diseases where enabling targeted cells to produce ? or turn ?on? ? one or more given proteins will enable the body to fight or prevent a given disease.

We start with our desired sequence for a protein.
We design and synthesize the corresponding mRNA sequence ? the code that will create that protein.
Before synthesis, we also engineer that mRNA sequence to optimize the mRNA?s physical properties, as well as those of the encoded protein.
We deliver the mRNA sequence to the cells responsible for making that protein via one of several modalities. Reaching different types of cells requires different delivery methods.
And, once the mRNA ? the instructions ? are in the cell ? human biology takes over. Ribosomes read the code and build the protein, and the cells express the protein in the body.

Using mRNA as a drug opens up a breadth of opportunities to treat and prevent disease. mRNA medicines can go inside cells to direct protein production, something not possible with other drug approaches. We have the potential to treat or prevent diseases that today are not addressable ? potentially improving human health and impacting lives around the world.

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Vaccines: The Basics (Source CDC)
Vaccines contain the same germs that cause disease. (For example, measles vaccine contains measles virus, and Hib vaccine contains Hib bacteria.) But they have been either killed or weakened to the point that they don?t make you sick. Some vaccines contain only a part of the disease germ.

A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.

This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them.


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[Michchamp]

VAERS reports more than 80,000 "adverse events" related to the COVID 19 vaccine in the US.

Approximately 10,000 have resulted in "Death; Life Threatening; Permanent Disability; Congenital Anomaly / Birth Defect *; Hospitalized; Existing Hospitalization Prolonged; Emergency Room / Office Visit **"

3,053 of the claims are solely related to "death".

It's April, 2021. Let's see where the stats are in April, 2022. Or 2025.

Mabye Moderna would be exempt anyway from litigation because what they are producing is not a vaccine, by it's own definition of their "medicine"

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Using mRNA to develop a new category of medicines.

At Moderna, we are leveraging the fundamental role that mRNA plays in protein synthesis. We have developed proprietary technologies and methods to create mRNA sequences that cells recognize as if they were produced in the body. We focus on diseases where enabling targeted cells to produce ? or turn ?on? ? one or more given proteins will enable the body to fight or prevent a given disease.

We start with our desired sequence for a protein.
We design and synthesize the corresponding mRNA sequence ? the code that will create that protein.
Before synthesis, we also engineer that mRNA sequence to optimize the mRNA?s physical properties, as well as those of the encoded protein.
We deliver the mRNA sequence to the cells responsible for making that protein via one of several modalities. Reaching different types of cells requires different delivery methods.
And, once the mRNA ? the instructions ? are in the cell ? human biology takes over. Ribosomes read the code and build the protein, and the cells express the protein in the body.

Using mRNA as a drug opens up a breadth of opportunities to treat and prevent disease. mRNA medicines can go inside cells to direct protein production, something not possible with other drug approaches. We have the potential to treat or prevent diseases that today are not addressable ? potentially improving human health and impacting lives around the world.

-----------------

Vaccines: The Basics (Source CDC)
Vaccines contain the same germs that cause disease. (For example, measles vaccine contains measles virus, and Hib vaccine contains Hib bacteria.) But they have been either killed or weakened to the point that they don?t make you sick. Some vaccines contain only a part of the disease germ.

A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.

This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them.


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are you sure?

 

[tinselwolverine]

I went with the J&J, based on an older more traditional technology.

I took the vaccine on recommendation of my physician of a quarter century.

She considered the Covid-19 to be a potentially higher risk to me than the vaccine.

I trust her medical opinion.

It?s the only reason I went ahead with it.

I don?t believe I had any side effects from it thus far.

I almost immediately developed a sore throat, but that almost surely was from a dental infection that happened concurrently, that went away almost immediately after starting an antibiotic.

I see I just used the same word, almost, three times in the same sentence.

I don?t like to be repetitive like that.

I almost never am.

 

[Michchamp]

I went with the J&J, based on an older more traditional technology.

I took the vaccine on recommendation of my physician of a quarter century.

She considered the Covid-19 to be a potentially higher risk to me than the vaccine.

I trust her medical opinion.

It?s the only reason I went ahead with it.

I don?t believe I had any side effects from it thus far.

I almost immediately developed a sore throat, but that almost surely was from a dental infection that happened concurrently, that went away almost immediately after starting an antibiotic.

I see I just used the same word, almost, three times in the same sentence.

I don?t like to be repetitive like that.

I almost never am.

I've known you for what? 15? 14 years? I've never seen you so repetitive. might want to get that checked out

 

[Spartanmack]

I went with the J&J, based on an older more traditional technology.

I took the vaccine on recommendation of my physician of a quarter century.

She considered the Covid-19 to be a potentially higher risk to me than the vaccine.

I trust her medical opinion.

It?s the only reason I went ahead with it.

I don?t believe I had any side effects from it thus far.

I almost immediately developed a sore throat, but that almost surely was from a dental infection that happened concurrently, that went away almost immediately after starting an antibiotic.

I see I just used the same word, almost, three times in the same sentence.

I don?t like to be repetitive like that.

I almost never am.

maybe it's a side effect of the vaccine.

 

[tinselwolverine]

maybe it's a side effect of the vaccine.

Yeah I wondered about that.

 

[zyxt9]

Where is the condemnation over Biden waiting until Tuesday to restrict travel to India??? Did he just wake up from a nap?

https://apnews.com/article/india-coronavirus-travel-restriction-5e73dbbd0da45208af988d93c430e959

And no, I do not think this helps. With over 3 million new infections between when India first spiked till now, restricting travel is too late and changes nothing. Just like how Covid traveled to every nation regardless of quarantines on travel to/from China, this also will not stop it. Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Where is the condemnation over Biden waiting until Tuesday to restrict travel to India??? Did he just wake up from a nap?

https://apnews.com/article/india-coronavirus-travel-restriction-5e73dbbd0da45208af988d93c430e959

And no, I do not think this helps. With over 3 million new infections between when India first spiked till now, restricting travel is too late and changes nothing. Just like how Covid traveled to every nation regardless of quarantines on travel to/from China, this also will not stop it. Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.

Condemnation from whom?

From Republicans, for waiting so long, or condemnation from his own side, for his xenophobia?

Or from both?

And would it matter anyway? He?s deaf in both ears.

Eh, What?

I said HE?S DEAF IN BOTH EARS!

 

[zyxt9]

Condemnation from whom?

From Republicans, for waiting so long, or condemnation from his own side, for his xenophobia?

Or from both?

And would it matter anyway? He?s deaf in both ears.

Eh, What?

I said HE?S DEAF IN BOTH EARS!

Lol...solid post!

I was mostly wondering where all the "2 week"ers are since they are not complaining about Biden shutting down travel to/from India long before their rates reached 300k. They quickly scream "Trump waited too long!" when China had 1% of that, but Biden is waiting till they are now over 400k per day before shutting things down...and crickets.

 

[sggatecl]

Lol...solid post!

I was mostly wondering where all the "2 week"ers are since they are not complaining about Biden shutting down travel to/from India long before their rates reached 300k. They quickly scream "Trump waited too long!" when China had 1% of that, but Biden is waiting till they are now over 400k per day before shutting things down...and crickets.

You're comparing two different situations entirely.

Situation A: No vaccine. No way to fight it. Very limited information on how it was transmitted. The ability to contain, contact trace, etc was still possible because of how low the numbers were.

Situation B: Vaccine in play (millions more every week), a better understanding of how to treat the virus, and frankly any thoughts of 'containing' this virus were thrown out the window months ago because a third of the country didn't/doesn't take it seriously.

Having said that, Biden did take too long. No doubt. I just think expecting the same kind of reaction is silly. They're not the same at all.

 

[Spartanmack]

Condemnation from whom?

From Republicans, for waiting so long, or condemnation from his own side, for his xenophobia?

Or from both?

And would it matter anyway? He?s deaf in both ears.

Eh, What?

I said HE?S DEAF IN BOTH EARS!

there you go repeating things again. Concerning.

 

[Spartanmack]

You're comparing two different situations entirely.

Situation A: No vaccine. No way to fight it. Very limited information on how it was transmitted. The ability to contain, contact trace, etc was still possible because of how low the numbers were.

Situation B: Vaccine in play (millions more every week), a better understanding of how to treat the virus, and frankly any thoughts of 'containing' this virus were thrown out the window months ago because a third of the country didn't/doesn't take it seriously.

Having said that, Biden did take too long. No doubt. I just think expecting the same kind of reaction is silly. They're not the same at all.

it's always totally different when the other side does it - except it's not really. You're forgetting that the left was a bunch of hypocrites from the jump - first they criticized Trump for his xenophobia in implementing unnecessary and racist travel bans, then they criticized him for not implementing the bans early enough. The only thing that's different is the letter next to the name of the guy in the White House.

 

[Michchamp]

it's always totally different when the other side does it - except it's not really. You're forgetting that the left was a bunch of hypocrites from the jump - first they criticized Trump for his xenophobia in implementing unnecessary and racist travel bans, then they criticized him for not implementing the bans early enough. The only thing that's different is the letter next to the name of the guy in the White House.

Do you have any actual criticism of what he wrote in his post?

Or you just didn't like it and that prompted your brain to come up with this non sequitur so you could argue against something else?

 

[Spartanmack]

Do you have any actual criticism of what he wrote in his post?

yes and it's obvious what that criticism is to just about anyone who isn't as dumb as you.

 

[tinselwolverine]

it's always totally different when the other side does it - except it's not really. You're forgetting that the left was a bunch of hypocrites from the jump - first they criticized Trump for his xenophobia in implementing unnecessary and racist travel bans, then they criticized him for not implementing the bans early enough. The only thing that's different is the letter next to the name of the guy in the White House.

The wife hears me bitching about geriatric Joe and says ?wow, you really hate him, don?t you??

And I?m like ?what? Weren?t you listening the last four years about the last guy??

Here?s something a little ironic ? I?m remembering maybe 30 or even 35 years ago, John McCain and J?Biden were running around doing Sunday talk shows together about some bipartisan legislation they supported and I was thinking to myself ?you know, either one of these two guys would be a pretty good, moderate, Unifying President ? why doesn?t either of their parties nominate them??

 

[Michchamp]

The wife hears me bitching about geriatric Joe and says ?wow, you really hate him, don?t you??

And I?m like ?what? Weren?t you listening the last four years about the last guy??

Here?s something a little ironic ? I?m remembering maybe 30 or even 35 years ago, John McCain and J?Biden were running around doing Sunday talk shows together about some bipartisan legislation they supported and I was thinking to myself ?you know, either one of these two guys would be a pretty good, moderate, Unifying President ? why doesn?t either of their parties nominate them??

this is our national crisis: the only people that feel they can express their opinions are the ones that constantly bitch about everyone and everything.