Coronainsanity

[tinselwolverine]

this is our national crisis: the only people that feel they can express their opinions are the ones that constantly bitch about everyone and everything.

Maybe, maybe not.

For example, I?m bitching about this guy and the last guy, but then I?m also saying this guy may be just missed his time by 30 or 35 years.

Once upon a time this guy found a common ground with a guy from the other side that I really liked and actually voted for once upon a time.

Maybe it?s OK to bitch about everyone and anything, and then say ?OK we agree that everyone and everything sucks ? how can shit be better??

And start the discussion from there.

 

[Spartanmack]

this is our national crisis: the only people that feel they can express their opinions are the ones that constantly bitch about everyone and everything.

and the award for complete and total lack of self awareness goes to...

 

[tinselwolverine]

Anyway, on a sidenote guys, I?m going to come out and officially call it - the pandemic is over.

Time of death 10:06 AM Pacific time, March 3, 2021.

Get vaccinated, don?t get vaccinated, it should be everybody?s own personal decision. I got vaccinated myself on the advisement of my doctor of a quarter of a century whom I trust and love.

Let?s forget about the fear porn. My recommendation is throw your useless mask - useless if it?s not an N-95 medical grade that you?re taken the class about how to put it on effectively -into the trash.

And Hallefuckinluya.

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=ding+dong+the+witch+is+dead#searching

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=hey+hey+i+saved+the+world+today+sopranos

 

[sggatecl]

it's always totally different when the other side does it - except it's not really. You're forgetting that the left was a bunch of hypocrites from the jump - first they criticized Trump for his xenophobia in implementing unnecessary and racist travel bans, then they criticized him for not implementing the bans early enough. The only thing that's different is the letter next to the name of the guy in the White House.

I guarantee I've voted for more Republicans in my life than you have Democrats in yours by far. Save the R vs D garbage for someone that cares and actually address why the points I made are wrong.

 

[Spartanmack]

I guarantee I've voted for more Republicans in my life than you have Democrats in yours by far. Save the R vs D garbage for someone that cares and actually address why the points I made are wrong.

Good - you probably should vote for more Rs than I have Ds (for the record, it's one, in a mayoral election - usually I just abstain but in this particular case, I really, really didn't like the R candidate). But your personal voting record is irrelevant, it doesn't change the fact that the left was a bunch of hypocrites from the start or the fact that Trump was first criticized for the ban then criticized for implementing it too late. You're doing the same, drawing a bunch of bullshit distinctions without a difference to justify one side being treated differently than the other, no matter how many Rs you voted for in the past. It's not different - maybe for you specifically it's not Rs or Ds but rather Trump and "Not Trump" or something along those lines. The difference is in the response to the actions, not the circumstances.

 

[tigermud]

?I don?t care [if] Trump doesn?t like black people,? 50 Cent said. ?62% ? are you out of ya f**king mind??
50 Cent follows Elon Musk and Joe Rogan in fleeing from a liberal coastal city to low tax Texas, but many ordinary Americans are also making the move.

A survey conducted in September 2020 found that two in five New Yorkers wanted to leave the city, with the reasons cited being crime and public safety as well as the anemic post-COVID economic recovery.

Moving trucks became a common sight on the streets, with 2020 showing a 44% increase in home sales in the suburbs compared to the same time period in 2019 as people flee for bigger homes in safer areas.

As we highlighted yesterday, judging by the supposedly ?busy? rush hour traffic in Manhattan, it may take years for New York to recover from draconian lockdown measures.

 

[byco42]

You?d think that NY would then react by lowering taxes as an incentive for NYers to stay, but it will likely raise them to sustain the revenue it ?needs? to operate, fostering more marginal migration, etc ... until the only people there are those ?whose can?t leave.?

It?s a Bronx Tale with a sad ending.

 

[Michchamp]

You?d think that NY would then react by lowering taxes as an incentive for NYers to stay, but it will likely raise them to sustain the revenue it ?needs? to operate, fostering more marginal migration, etc ... until the only people there are those ?whose can?t leave.?

It?s a Bronx Tale with a sad ending.

It could tax other things to make up for it, but the tax burden has been increasingly shifted so it's borne by those who don't have lobbyists, tax attorneys, politicians in their pocket, etc.

 

[Spartanmack]

You?d think that NY would then react by lowering taxes as an incentive for NYers to stay, but it will likely raise them to sustain the revenue it ?needs? to operate, fostering more marginal migration, etc ... until the only people there are those ?whose can?t leave.?

It?s a Bronx Tale with a sad ending.

they're coming up with much better ideas, like the "exit" tax and the "wealth" tax because according to them, taxes aren't the reason people are fleeing the city in droves.

 

[byco42]

It could tax other things to make up for it, but the tax burden has been increasingly shifted so it's borne by those who don't have lobbyists, tax attorneys, politicians in their pocket, etc.

In regards to NY State taxes, people pay a selected percentage of their income, plus, in most cases, an initial flat-rate charge, that ranges from $340 to $2,500,000, depending on the bracket.

So how does it compute that the burden is placed on a certain subset of the residents? Any competent accountant or even tax software can calculate deductions and generate a base taxable income, for those who look for the lawful advantages.

 

[Michchamp]

In regards to NY State taxes, people pay a selected percentage of their income, plus, in most cases, an initial flat-rate charge, that ranges from $340 to $2,500,000, depending on the bracket.

So how does it compute that the burden is placed on a certain subset of the residents? Any competent accountant or even tax software can calculate deductions and generate a base taxable income, for those who look for the lawful advantages.

I mean, this issue is more complicated than just the tax rate, but did NYC suddenly raise personal income taxes or something? Why is this suddenly driving people out of the city?

seems like everyone I know who moved out of Manhattan or Brooklyn left because of the high cost of living (mainly rent), which isn't due to high personal income taxes.

corporate tax rates and the rates on the highest income brackets have fallen dramatically since the 80's... how do they keep getting "too high" every other year still?

I'm so sick of this stupid tax conversation, always devoid of context, history, logic, reason...

 

[tinselwolverine]

I mean, this issue is more complicated than just the tax rate, but did NYC suddenly raise personal income taxes or something? Why is this suddenly driving people out of the city?

seems like everyone I know who moved out of Manhattan or Brooklyn left because of the high cost of living (mainly rent), which isn't due to high personal income taxes.

corporate tax rates and the rates on the highest income brackets have fallen dramatically since the 80's... how do they keep getting "too high" every other year still?

I'm so sick of this stupid tax conversation, always devoid of context, history, logic, reason...

We?re talking about state and local taxes.

Yes, cost of living is a key factor but the exodus is to tax favorable states.

Here is some context and data.

California relocations

New York relocations

 

[byco42]

I mean, this issue is more complicated than just the tax rate, but did NYC suddenly raise personal income taxes or something? Why is this suddenly driving people out of the city?

There?s NYS tax and NYC tax. I think every borough has its own separate tax obligation.

seems like everyone I know who moved out of Manhattan or Brooklyn left because of the high cost of living (mainly rent), which isn't due to high personal income taxes.

corporate tax rates and the rates on the highest income brackets have fallen dramatically since the 80's... how do they keep getting "too high" every other year still?

I'm so sick of this stupid tax conversation, always devoid of context, history, logic, reason...

If we stop talking about taxes, it?s either because they have been abolished or it becomes a crime. So I?ll never tire of this ?stupid tax conversation.?

 

[tinselwolverine]

There?s NYS tax and NYC tax. I think every borough has its own separate tax obligation.



If we stop talking about taxes, it?s either because they have been abolished or it becomes a crime. So I?ll never tire of this ?stupid tax conversation.?

@:38

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=75wmh-NZg5M

 

[tomdalton22]

I mean, this issue is more complicated than just the tax rate, but did NYC suddenly raise personal income taxes or something? Why is this suddenly driving people out of the city?

seems like everyone I know who moved out of Manhattan or Brooklyn left because of the high cost of living (mainly rent), which isn't due to high personal income taxes.

both can be true. One reason people are leaving is their employers are letting them work from home. Why pay the taxes (income and property) when you can move to an area with lower taxes and a lower cost of living? Employees will benefit and in turn the employers will be able to lease less office space. There are a lot of jobs where a good employee can work from home and be just as, or more productive, than working in an office environment. I have worked from home for over 15 years. My wife is based out of Chicago and has been working from a home office for over 10 years. I think there will be a huge portion of the workforce that is currently working from home due to COVID that will continue to work from home.

 

[Michchamp]

There?s NYS tax and NYC tax. I think every borough has its own separate tax obligation.



If we stop talking about taxes, it?s either because they have been abolished or it becomes a crime. So I?ll never tire of this ?stupid tax conversation.?

that's fine, but what's always missing from these conversations is the actual dollar amounts for context.

and also how the burden applies across income groups, what other taxes are people paying to make up for tax cuts or increases in one place...

 

[Michchamp]

we should have a nice society without taxes.

maybe the billions can fund it all for us out of a sense of noblesse oblige?

Imagine how much the economy would grow then?

 

[Spartanmack]

I mean, this issue is more complicated than just the tax rate, but did NYC suddenly raise personal income taxes or something? Why is this suddenly driving people out of the city?

seems like everyone I know who moved out of Manhattan or Brooklyn left because of the high cost of living (mainly rent), which isn't due to high personal income taxes.

corporate tax rates and the rates on the highest income brackets have fallen dramatically since the 80's... how do they keep getting "too high" every other year still?

I'm so sick of this stupid tax conversation, always devoid of context, history, logic, reason...

High state and local personal income taxes are part of the high cost of living. The idea that it's just rent is complete nonsense. People were willing to pay the taxes because they felt they had to or felt it was worth it to live in the city than commute, particularly from LI, Westchester and NJ which aren't much better in terms of state and local taxes. And now that De Blasio has destroyed the city with his soft on crime stupidity, driving businesses away etc, etc people are fed up with paying a premium to live in a city that's in decline and becoming less safe.

On top of all of this, both Cuomo and De Blasio (and AOC) are pushing to increase taxes in NY and NYC. People reevaluate their situations all the time particularly when circumstances change, like what's happening in NYC as well as how and where people work - to say that the higher than average tax rates aren't part of that analysis shows a complete lack of context, logic and reason.

 

[Michchamp]

"Durrrrr ... taxes are TOOON HIGH"

"Really? why? what were they before?"

"I DONT KNOW OR CARE. THEYRE ALWAYS TOO HIGH"

 

[byco42]

we should have a nice society without taxes.

maybe the billions can fund it all for us out of a sense of noblesse oblige?

Imagine how much the economy would grow then?

We could have a better society without federal income taxes.