Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

We?ve been talking about this from the beginning. I don?t have a lot of time but I did a quick perusal and byco and I begin a discussion about it at #198, early April 2020.

During a pandemic, Americans started dying a lot more - as evidenced by the excess deaths measure - coincidentally of other things, but not of the virus causing the pandemic. That's called Following The Science, I think, right?

 

[Michchamp]

except that there's no authoritarian control on one side of the argument. ...

Right. Everyone else needs to bear the risk of getting sick because you don't want to wear a mask, quarantine if you travel, or stay home if you test positive, never mind get an ouchy in your arm. But you will take equally unproven antibody treatments or Horse paste, because some guy on youtube told you about it, not the big bad government.



The assholes got their way, and everyone else has to pretend a virus that's already killed 900,000+ and made millions more sick as fuck doesn't exist.

 

[mhughes0021]

Wow.... you guys really took 100000000000x literally. Im starting to understand what's wrong with amercica.

 

[tinselwolverine]

During a pandemic, Americans started dying a lot more - as evidenced by the excess deaths measure - coincidentally of other things, but not of the virus causing the pandemic. That's called Following The Science, I think, right?

What is the CDC claiming the excess death count for 2020 was?

 

[tomdalton22]

Wow.... you guys really took 100000000000x literally. Im starting to understand what's wrong with amercica.

to be fair, you are the one saying people can't understand 3rd grade math and to follow "the science". Then you post numbers and we aren't supposed to take them literally?

 

[Michchamp]

Wow.... you guys really took 100000000000x literally. Im starting to understand what's wrong with amercica.

They owned you there. 100000000000 is 100,000,000,000 or 100 Billion.



100 Billion is a real number, not like a made up one, or an exaggerated one.



Therefore you must really believe there are 100 Billion times more people in China than America, and are forever known to be wrong and should not post here anymore. Unlike all the people who posted early in this thread that COVID was nothing, and was not deadly, and we should not take precautions against it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Wow.... you guys really took 100000000000x literally. Im starting to understand what's wrong with amercica.

Who?s ?you guys?? In #5559, I gave you credit for exaggerating (that?s what hyperbole is).

I did speculate that you wouldn?t know how to figure out what the actual true quantity is.

 

[tinselwolverine]

They owned you there. 100000000000 is 100,000,000,000 or 100 Billion.



100 Billion is a real number, not like a made up one, or an exaggerated one.



Therefore you must really believe there are 100 Billion times more people in China than America, and are forever known to be wrong and should not post here anymore. Unlike all the people who posted early in this thread that COVID was nothing, and was not deadly, and we should not take precautions against it.

So it would that be 38 quintillion Chinese? Do I have that right?

 

[Michchamp]

• Data show COVID-19 deaths have been wildly exaggerated by counting people who died from other conditions but had a positive COVID test within 28 days of their death
• U.K. data released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request show that the number of deaths between January 2020 and the end of September 2021 in England and Wales, where COVID-19 was the sole cause of death, was just 17,371 ? not 137,133 as reported
• Of the 17,371 people who had COVID-19 as the sole cause of death, 13,597 were 65 or older. The average age of death in the U.K. from COVID in 2021 was 82.5 years
• Compare that to the projected life expectancy in the U.K., which is 79 for men and 82.9 for women. This hardly constitutes an emergency, least of all for healthy school- and working-age individuals
• Estimates suggest there?s been an extra 50,000 cancer deaths over the past 18 months ? deaths that normally would not have occurred. Delayed diagnosis and inability to receive proper treatment due to COVID restrictions are thought to be primary reasons for this

Early on in the COVID pandemic, people suspected that the deaths attributed to the infection were exaggerated. There was plenty of evidence for this. For starters, hospitals were instructed and incentivized to mark any patient who had a positive COVID test and subsequently died within a certain time period as a COVID death.
At the same time, we knew that the PCR test was unreliable, producing inordinate amounts of false positives. Now, the truth is finally starting to come out and, as suspected, the actual death toll is vastly lower than we were led to believe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

Anybody else think it's funny to respond to a conversation about the wisdom of dismissing the opinions of a billion Chinese people outright by robotically cutting and pasting a bunch of debunked talking points or outright fabrications - (if the death count in the UK was off by a factor of ten, let's fucking see the evidence) - and a youtube video, without any actual comment?



More programmed than a bot.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So it would that be 38 quintillion Chinese? Do I have that right?

I think so.

 

[Spartanmack]

Right. Everyone else needs to bear the risk of getting sick because you don't want to wear a mask, quarantine if you travel, or stay home if you test positive, never mind get an ouchy in your arm. But you will take equally unproven antibody treatments or Horse paste, because some guy on youtube told you about it, not the big bad government.



The assholes got their way, and everyone else has to pretend a virus that's already killed 900,000+ and made millions more sick as fuck doesn't exist.

this is all just more stupid straw man bs - totally unsurprising. If you protect the vulnerable, and take reasonable measures "everyone" doesn't need to take the risk. The fact that you can't accept that this virus impacts an easily identifiable subset of the population doesn't mean everyone has to lock themselves down, lose their job and destroy the economy.

I wore the masks as recommended and required - even though they don't work. If you don't have symptoms and test negative, I see no need to quarantine just because you went somewhere and you think it makes sense. As for staying at home after testing positive, I've advocated for sick people to stay home before COVID, so yeah, that's another straw man pulled out of your ass. I guess nothing is proven, but doctors who treated people with the two therapeutics I used (one approved for emergency use, just like the vaccines you're so fond of) had success with them and there are studies that show they're effective, despite what the WH is saying in order to kill more people in Florida. As for the ivermectin, I've been using it with a doctor's prescription on and off since 2016. It's not horse paste, it's a nobel prize winning medication that's been used by 100s of millions of people.

You're right about one thing though - the assholes did get their way and they destroyed the economy, killed thousand and thousands of people and didn't stop the virus. and you're still pushing the policies that didn't work and had major unintended (hopefully) consequences.

 

[Spartanmack]

Wow.... you guys really took 100000000000x literally. Im starting to understand what's wrong with amercica.

do you really not know when you're being made fun of?

 

[Spartanmack]

So it would that be 38 quintillion Chinese? Do I have that right?

33, not 38

 

[tinselwolverine]

33, not 38

Right.

For some reason I was thinking we were at 380 million; double checked and it?s 330 million.

That?s a difference of 50 quintillion Chinese.

That?s a lot of people.

 

[tigermud]

Anybody else think it's funny to respond to a conversation about the wisdom of dismissing the opinions of a billion Chinese people outright by robotically cutting and pasting a bunch of debunked talking points or outright fabrications - (if the death count in the UK was off by a factor of ten, let's fucking see the evidence) - and a youtube video, without any actual comment?



More programmed than a bot.

Typically the evidence and comments are what is shown and said in the video and did you notice the guys stuffed dog is wearing a mask?

 

[tigermud]

Ivermectin Has 'Antiviral Effect' Against Omicron And All Other 'Mutant Strains' Of Covid-19

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...omicron-and-all-other-mutant-strains-covid-19

 

[Spartanmack]

Right.

For some reason I was thinking we were at 380 million; double checked and it?s 330 million.

That?s a difference of 50 quintillion Chinese.

That?s a lot of people.

you got the decimal place right - being off by 15% is a lot better than being off by an order(s) of magnitude.

Edit: by the way, did anyone know there is a minimum number of characters for a post on DSF? I tried to respond with just "33" without the quotes but DSF requires a minimum of 3 characters. Anyway, that's my public service announcement for today.

 

[Spartanmack]

Ivermectin Has 'Antiviral Effect' Against Omicron And All Other 'Mutant Strains' Of Covid-19

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...omicron-and-all-other-mutant-strains-covid-19

good thing the CDC refused to allow ivermectin as an early treatment therapeutic. Thank goodness hospitals refused to administer it even with a doctors prescription and where would we be if media didn't disparage it as a horse de-wormer? We never would have given up all those pesky freedoms and ceded more power over our lives to bureaucrats in government and the teachers' unions.

Looking forward to the MC's "good intentions" defense of incompetent and corrupt public health officials. It doesn't matter that 100s of thousands of people died, the CDC is an altruistic governmental body with everyone's best interests at heart, and THAT is what matters. Results be damned.

 

[Spartanmack]

hmmmm, who to believe? Johns Hopkins or actual science experts like Michturd, hughes and benevolent, transparent humanitarian organizations like the Chinese Communist Party?

Looking forward to the "but we really didn't lock down" protestations - kinda like the "no one has ever tried true communism."

 

[mhughes0021]

hmmmm, who to believe? Johns Hopkins or actual science experts like Michturd, hughes and benevolent, transparent humanitarian organizations like the Chinese Communist Party?

Looking forward to the "but we really didn't lock down" protestations - kinda like the "no one has ever tried true communism."

Our 2 months of "lockdown" saw the greatest increase in grocery spending the nation has ever seen. And it wasnt from online sales lol. Just a little nugget for your lockdown comment. We were in such lockdown...every single person in the country is in a grocery store ...together lol. We did such an amazing job "locking down" we saw our all time highs in cases (at the time) the first week of April. We quickly doubled in cases in June - July once "lockdown" was over....so Americans sure do learn alot. Way to execute Americans! (Execute purposely has a double meaning).