Coronainsanity

[byco42]

1Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1

Provisional deaths are coded this way. There used to be a discrepancy of 35% or so earlier in the year between provisional deaths and published deaths. That ratio has narrowed. So either reporting confirmed deaths is more accurate or less. It’s impossible to tell. But it’s not impossible to sub-set these two numbers and the CDC does not do that. It should, so we can measure the percentage of Coronavirus deaths that are “confirmed.”

 

[Michchamp]

1Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1

Provisional deaths are coded this way. There used to be a discrepancy of 35% or so earlier in the year between provisional deaths and published deaths. That ratio has narrowed. So either reporting confirmed deaths is more accurate or less. It’s impossible to tell. But it’s not impossible to sub-set these two numbers and the CDC does not do that. It should, so we can measure the percentage of Coronavirus deaths that are “confirmed.”

The article says 2/3 of the excess deaths are likely due to COVID-19... EDIT: so would those be the "provisional deaths" in your comment? 2/3 of 300,000 is 200,000... what is the discrepancy number 35% of?



There's this part in the article I posted:

The data show disproportionate increases among racial and ethnic groups that have been seen as particularly affected by COVID-19.

The CDC found the largest average percentage increase in deaths compared with previous years occurring among Hispanic people (53.6%), with deaths 32.9% above average among Black people and 36.6% above average for Asians.
​

Guessing if you're poor, which non-white minorities are more likely to be, they don't put much effort into determining your cause of death? Just stick your body in a bag, and ship it off to the morgue. Would that surprise anyone?

Also:

“There are many factors that could contribute to an increase in deaths indirectly due to the pandemic, with disruptions to health care being one factor,” study author Lauren Rossen, from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told Reuters.
The count could miss deaths indirectly related to the pandemic, caused by disruptions in healthcare access or utilization...
​

So if I'm rushed to the hospital with a pulmonary embolism, and I couldn't get into the ER because it was already filled with COVID-19 patients so I die in the waiting room, I may not have died OF COVID-19, though I died BECAUSE OF COVID-19. This was what that whole "flatten the curve" thing was supposed to prevent. And people want to kidnap and murder governors for trying to implement it.

 

[Michchamp]

Initially - I don't know if this has changed based on better data - I read estimates of the the mortality rate due to COVID-19 were 30 times that of the flu...


Using the range of CDC numbers of annual flu deaths (12,000-61,000) that would lead to a COVID-19 mortality between 360,000 and 1,830,000 dead Americans in a year. Hard to say how many people have been affected & what percentage that is, but that mortality estimate is still within the ballpark. (I think)

 

[byco42]

The article says 2/3 of the excess deaths are likely due to COVID-19... EDIT: so would those be the "provisional deaths" in your comment? 2/3 of 300,000 is 200,000... what is the discrepancy number 35% of?

CDC provisional deaths AO 10-20-2020: 206,000.
CDC published deaths AO 10-20-2020: 219,000.

That ratio was wider in the summer. Fewer provisional deaths reported.

 

[sggatecl]

The old "Now that this has personally effected me, I understand" response. Tale as old as time.

I Should Have Worn a Mask ~Chris Christie

For seven months I was very careful about mask wearing, social distancing and hand washing. As someone with asthma, I knew I faced heightened risk. Then, at the Rose Garden nomination event for Judge Amy Coney Barrett, and during debate preparations with President Trump, I let my guard down and left my mask off. I mistook the bubble of security around the president for a viral safe zone. I was wrong. There is no safe zone from this virus.

Three days after the presidential debate, I still felt fine. Then—all within 24 hours—came the fever, chills and body aches, severe pain and utter exhaustion, and hospitalization in the intensive-care unit. A week in the ICU offers time to reflect. I was fortunate to have good insurance, a fine hospital and the latest treatments. But I was also conscious of the virus’s unpredictability. My doctors came in twice a day, told me I was doing better, and warned me that I could take a turn for the worse at any minute. Everyone in the hospital with Covid hangs on a thin thread.

When you get this disease, it hits you how easy it is to prevent. We are asked to wear cloth over our mouth and nose, wash our hands and avoid crowds. These minor inconveniences can save your life, your neighbors and the economy. Seldom has so little been asked for so much benefit. Yet the message will be broadly heeded only if it is consistently and honestly delivered by the media, religious leaders, sports figures and public servants. Those in positions of authority have a duty to get the message out.

One of the worst aspects of America’s divided politics is the polarization of something as practical as a mask. It’s not a partisan or cultural symbol, not a sign of weakness or virtue. It’s simply a good method—not a perfect one, but a proven one—to contain a cough or prevent the virus from getting in your mouth or nose. Wear it or you may regret it—as I did.

 

[byco42]

Christie said he was wearing a mask for seven months and suddenly, in a moment of weakness, DOESN’T? As far as precautions being a “minor inconvenience” ... they are a major impediment to natural human social interaction. And for this guy to say that “those in positions of authority have a duty to get the message out’ and he included CELEBRITIES in that group...they are the LAST subset of society that I take seriously. They rank just below career politicians like Christie.

The survival rate for Coronavirus is 99.97%, but the media and government is reacting to it like it’s the Black Plague, which is why we need the media-propaganda machine to keep pushing these anti-social measures.

It’s the latest unseen enemy for us to fear, and comply accordingly, with no expiration date. It will be squeezed to its last drop of utility...far beyond its danger threshold.

Were this the Black Plague, we’d need not be subjected to the endless onslaught-messaging of “preventative measures” that pervades our society these days in regards to ways to minimize risk to the Coronavirus.

He also calls Coronavirus a DISEASE. It’s a VIRUS. I read a message like this and my blood chills. The master speak contained within is predictably odious. I’m aware of the skepticism this will generate, but I am equally highly skeptic of anything that any major elected official states in public, because well, they have been known to warp the facts sometimes, or, in this case, shape it as a threat and a warning that we’ll not have the choice to not wear a mask at some point.

 

[Michchamp]

...

The survival rate for Coronavirus is 99.97%, but the media and government is reacting to it like it?s the Black Plague, which is why we need the media-propaganda machine to keep pushing these anti-social measures.

....

whoa whoa whoa, check your 1990's "liberal media conspiracy" mess at the door...

what "government" are you talking about? Fully half - or more - of government officials pushed to keep things open, or dragged their feet before taking action, and the president and his ilk openly downplayed the severity of the virus.

and thanks to facebook, the "masks are a form of tyranny," "go die so the economy doesn't suffer" and the "don't make the cure worse than the virus" crowd had their stupid, stupid opinions amplified way beyond what the traditional media could reach.

in fact, I'd argue that misinformation, NOT THE MEDIA HYSTERIA, is the reason coronavirus has become endemic in the population now, and we're watching it peak for a third time in less than a year.

 

[byco42]

whoa whoa whoa, check your 1990's "liberal media conspiracy" mess at the door...

what "government" are you talking about? Fully half - or more - of government officials pushed to keep things open, or dragged their feet before taking action, and the president and his ilk openly downplayed the severity of the virus.

and thanks to facebook, the "masks are a form of tyranny," "go die so the economy doesn't suffer" and the "don't make the cure worse than the virus" crowd had their stupid, stupid opinions amplified way beyond what the traditional media could reach.

in fact, I'd argue that misinformation, NOT THE MEDIA HYSTERIA, is the reason coronavirus has become endemic in the population now, and we're watching it peak for a third time in less than a year.

I?ll respond in this way:

THERE IS FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL BEING PLAYED WITHOUT MASKS. DURING ANOTHER ?PEAK? IN THE NUMBERS. APPARENTLY, THAT?S HOW F?N ?DEADLY? THIS VIRUS IS. The very movers and shakers who ?need? to set an example aren?t.

?WEAR A MASK!? Says (NFL player here) ? unless you are breathing down the neck of Tom Brady during a sack; and don?t forget to stand up and shout YAAAAAAAAAA! At the top of your lungs in a teammate?s face. MEDIA? (Crickets)

MEDIA: But, remember, don?t sing in church!

So don?t advise me that ?misinformation? is illegitimate questioning as to whether or not masks are beneficial in containing the spread. Or maskless people are the cause of COVID 19 ?peaking? again. Because a lot of ?sports figures? aren?t wearing masks, either, presently, in close quarters.

 

[Michchamp]

but... NFL players are getting sick with it and games are being postponed...

I don't even know what point you're trying to make now.

The way I see it, we had three options: 1) follow the "China approach"... near complete shutdown, enforced by criminal law; 2) half-ass "wash your hands and stay home if you're sick, but keep doing most of the things you want" and starting in the summer "WEAR A MASK!"; OR 3) do nothing, claim only 0.03 percent of your population getting sick and dying (i.e. in America, 9,900,000 people...).

We followed choice #2, and so limited the spread, and kept this from really overwhelming our healthcare system, and resulted in far fewer than 10 MM dead so far, but the people that advocated #3 are now screaming they were right all along, and we should have listened to them.

My favorite kind of people are the ones who advocated #3, but when you asked them if they were still going to bars and restaurants without a mask and ignoring the suggested precautions were like "OH NO! I'm personally being very careful!" ... so really they just wanted as many OTHER people as possible to get sick and die.

 

[byco42]

but... NFL players are getting sick with it and games are being postponed...

I don't even know what point you're trying to make now.

The way I see it, we had three options: 1) follow the "China approach"... near complete shutdown, enforced by criminal law; 2) half-ass "wash your hands and stay home if you're sick, but keep doing most of the things you want" and starting in the summer "WEAR A MASK!"; OR 3) do nothing, claim only 0.03 percent of your population getting sick and dying (i.e. in America, 9,900,000 people...).

We followed choice #2

The point I’m trying to make is that Christie should shut his yap and not tell me what to do because he was negligent for reasons unknown, in the face of his so-called “influencers” doing the exact opposite of what he recommends, and of what they should be “telling” me to do. I’ll look after my own scalp. So far, so good.

 

[Michchamp]

The point I?m trying to make is that Christie should shut his yap and not tell me what to do because he was negligent for reasons unknown, in the face of his so-called ?influencers? doing the exact opposite of what he recommends, and of what they should be ?telling? me to to. I?ll look after my own scalp. So far, so good.

oh. okay, that makes sense.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Let’s put this here where it belongs.

 

[byco42]

I seriously want to punch this Arschloch in the face. Wham

 

[tomdalton22]

I seriously want to punch this Arschloch in the face. Wham

I read that on CNN this morning. This will probably give michchamp wood.

 

[Michchamp]

I read that on CNN this morning. This will probably give michchamp wood.

Why? Do you think I'm one of the zillionaires who obviously funded that study to in order undermine the efforts to tax their ill-gotten wealth during the pandemic?

And I'm not an idiot like you or spartanmack who would try to argue that Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg earned that money fair and square, and taxing them would be theft.

 

[Spartanmack]

Why? Do you think I'm one of the zillionaires who obviously funded that study to in order undermine the efforts to tax their ill-gotten wealth during the pandemic?

And I'm not an idiot like you or spartanmack who would try to argue that Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg earned that money fair and square, and taxing them would be theft.

no, you're a special kind of idiot who continuously gets his ass handed to him when facts are central to a discussion so instead you have to make up arguments and attribute them to the people who routinely pimp slap you, so you can pretend you won an argument.

Edit: by the way, you really should read the articles you post before you "summarize" them for DSF readers. I read the piece you posted and once again, it doesn't say what you claim it does. there isn't a single mention of any impropriety by any individuals or companies in generating that wealth. Maybe you just mistakenly think "ill-gotten" means they made the money while an illness was spreading around the globe - it doesn't mean that.

 

[byco42]

Why? Do you think I'm one of the zillionaires who obviously funded that study to in order undermine the efforts to tax their ill-gotten wealth during the pandemic?

And I'm not an idiot like you or spartanmack who would try to argue that Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg earned that money fair and square, and taxing them would be theft.

MC: MT 16:26

Some of the rich will eventually be poorer than Lazarus, the beggar. We need to pray for these people.

 

[Spartanmack]

I read that on CNN this morning. This will probably give michchamp wood.

whether MC agrees with this specific policy or not, it's definitely the same brand of logic he uses to make his equally moronic points. It's not fair that everyone can't work from home so tax those who can. And why is that unfair anyway? The asshole who wrote this probably drives a Prius (more likely a Tesla) thinking he or she is doing their part to save the environment and now wants to charge people who aren't burning gas or coal or whatever fossil fuel to commute to work everyday.

This idea is going to go over really well with all the parents (predominantly mothers) who have flex-time arrangements with their employers - especially the one's who already think (mistakenly) that they make less money just because of their gender.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I seriously want to punch this Arschloch in the face. Wham

Who is the arschloch? The BBC reporter or the strategist from Deutsche Bank?

My reaction is, it’s great Britain anyway, so screw them. If the parliament wants to impose a tax on the already overtaxed people of the United Kingdom, they’ll probably accept it.

Here in the United States, people work from home already do pay taxes that help out people that don’t work from home – it’s called income tax.

Sidenote, I want to tell Gulo that I heard Dr. Kelly Victory - she’s a real doctor, a person can do a search engine search for her - say that the “excess deaths count” is based on an average of annual deaths from 2015 through last year – it’s not year to year. So we already know the count goes up an average about 35,000 a year every year, so there seems to be a flaw in the excess death count baseline.

Dr. Victory, along with Dr. Ray Casciari, Dr. Nan Hayworth, Dr. Dahlia Wachs and everyone knows who Dr. Drew Pinsky is – all medical doctors – Who can be found on a search engine search –are physicians who view the response to the pandemic substantially differently than the people who our running our public policy, and I have listened to them primarily to form my Viewpoint-on our response.

 

[Michchamp]

whether MC agrees with this specific policy or not, it's definitely the same brand of logic he uses to make his equally moronic points. It's not fair that everyone can't work from home so tax those who can. And why is that unfair anyway? The asshole who wrote this probably drives a Prius (more likely a Tesla) thinking he or she is doing their part to save the environment and now wants to charge people who aren't burning gas or coal or whatever fossil fuel to commute to work everyday.

This idea is going to go over really well with all the parents (predominantly mothers) who have flex-time arrangements with their employers - especially the one's who already think (mistakenly) that they make less money just because of their gender.

you're such a big baby