Coronainsanity

[tinselwolverine]

What is a medical tyranny?

doctors and nurses making sure your blood pressure is low, and you're eating a balanced diet?

No.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ynpnYh4o_Qo

 

[Gulo Blue]

THESE ARE DOCTORS

Like... a LOTTA doctors!

Well, this is interesting


Ok, I read the statement and I wonder if they think we're 10 years away from a vaccine or what? I don't follow it any other way. The vaccine exists. We're months to, I don't know, 2 years from being able to reach heard immunity via vaccine depending on what country you're talking about. These guys want to just rip the bandaid off now? Even doing what we're doing half-assed as we are, hospitals are swamped or nearing swamped again.


What is the deal with these people? Maybe they're assuming everyone will wear masks. I do think (and have been saying) we could do better keeping things open if everyone wore the right masks properly and did a better job prioritizing when we have people indoors together.

 

[tomdalton22]

Well, this is interesting


Ok, I read the statement and I wonder if they think we're 10 years away from a vaccine or what? I don't follow it any other way. The vaccine exists. We're months to, I don't know, 2 years from being able to reach heard immunity via vaccine depending on what country you're talking about. These guys want to just rip the bandaid off now? Even doing what we're doing half-assed as we are, hospitals are swamped or nearing swamped again.


What is the deal with these people?

I don't think their plan is for everyone to just go about their business in a usual manner. I think they wanted to put the most vulnerable in a "bubble" and let the rest of the country go about their usual business. The problem is they would have had to do that from day one...not 2 months in, and definitely not 9 months in. If we would have used this plan from day one, it may have worked out better in the long run.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Just heard on a podcast, covid is killing Americans at a rate in excess of 7 fully-loaded Boeing 737Max crashes per day.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't think their plan is for everyone to just go about their business in a usual manner. I think they wanted to put the most vulnerable in a "bubble" and let the rest of the country go about their usual business. The problem is they would have had to do that from day one...not 2 months in, and definitely not 9 months in. If we would have used this plan from day one, it may have worked out better in the long run.

There's a lot of wiggle room in the wording regarding strategy. But there are phrases like "allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection" that are clearly fucking stupid. Maybe it's just that one phrase. Like 90% of it is reasonable, but that line is fucking stupid. Hospitals would get swamped. I don't think people properly estimate their risk and it's not just about death. If you take up a hospital bed for a week or weeks, you were probably some form of elevated risk.

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...a-tells-coronavirus-vaccine-recipients-a72280


Russian vaccine comes with a recommendation for a 2-month break from alcohol.

 

[Michchamp]

... I don't think people properly estimate their risk and it's not just about death. If you take up a hospital bed for a week or weeks, you were probably some form of elevated risk.

There's long COVID, as well, they estimate affects at least another 4.5% of COVID-19 patients. Long term reduced lung function, or muscle pain would not be fun.

 

[Gulo Blue]

There's long COVID, as well, they estimate affects at least another 4.5% of COVID-19 patients. Long term reduced lung function, or muscle pain would not be fun.

Yeah, I know somebody still not back to normal.


Regular flu doesn't swamp hospitals. Regular flu wouldn't get a President sent to the hospital for cutting edge treatment.


I know plenty of smart people that could pick apart a statement like that one and agree line-by-line (I agree line-by-line with a lot of it) and then sign it not seeing the overall message or the caveats that were missed. But that one line about people going back to normal should have been a red flag.

 

[Michchamp]

I'm kinda surprised* Tigermud isn't all over this:

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement raided Rebekah Jones? home Monday night. FDLE Commissioner Rick Swearingen said in a statement that they have been investigating Jones since early November when the Florida Department of Health?s emergency alert health system was hacked.

Jones told CNN?s Chris Cuomo that she had nothing to do with the Department of Health?s hack. She said police didn?t take her husband or children?s computer, or her router.
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They had been investigating her for a hack since, early November, but it took them a month to raid her house, on a matter where evidence could be destroyed in a few minutes? And they didn't take her router, which would have the record of all the sites she accessed, or other computers in the house? Seems suspect. This looks like actual tyranny. Call the freedom cops...

In late May, Jones said she was fired after she refused to manipulate data in the state?s dashboard to make the case for reopening Florida?s economy. Then, Jones raised more than $170,000 on GoFundMe to launch her own COVID-19 data dashboard.

Check here to listen to a previous interview Jones did with WMFE?s Matthew Peddie. And check here for an interview done with NPR?s Rachel Martin.
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Is this just a partisan stunt? SHe has a gofundme and all, so why feel bad for the police raiding her home and pointing guns at her and her family (which is no big deal, and we'd all be totally okay with). Well, FWIW another Republican appointed official in FL just resigned in protest of the way she was treated:

Filipkowski, 52, who has served on the JNC for 10 years and was twice appointed to the role by former Gov. Rick Scott and once by DeSantis, called the governor?s handling of the pandemic ?reckless and irresponsible.?

?The recent events regarding public access to truthful data on the pandemic, and the specific treatment of Rebekah Jones has made the issue a legal one rather than just medical,?? he wrote in a letter to the governor?s general counsel. ?...I no longer wish to serve the current government of Florida in any capacity.?
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Fuckin' Yikes. Sending the police to threaten and raid the house of a political opponent is the very definition of tyranny, no? At least more so than making someone wear a mask when they go out in public during the worst health crisis in the last 100 years in America.






*not really. I doubt they're covering this on parler or any of the other media sources he allows into his bubble; his "safe space"

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...which-hospitals-are-dangerously-full-is-yours


Here's a map of % of hospital beds occupied by covid patients. Article says anything above 20% is extreme stress to a hospital, and a hospital that is 50% full of covid patients is overloaded (probably due to the precautions and level of care they need.) I expect this data is not uniformly accurate or up to date.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Fuckin' Yikes. Sending the police to threaten and raid the house of a political opponent is the very definition of tyranny, no?

The drawn guns were not necessary.

https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1336065787900145665

 

[Gulo Blue]

They're calling it a hack? It sounds like they just didn't change the password.

"Once they are no longer associated with ESF-8 they are no longer authorized to access the multi-user group," the FDLE affidavit said. All authorized users use the same user name and password.

Jones ? who launched her own COVID-19 dashboard after she was fired, and used crowdsourcing to raise money to support it ? told a reporter that she is not a hacker: "I don't know how to do that stuff."

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...h-jones-what-happened-coronavirus/6488602002/

 

[tigermud]

What is a medical tyranny?

doctors and nurses making sure your blood pressure is low, and you're eating a balanced diet?

A medical tyranny is when you are mandated by law to let the eugenicist soft kill you with vaccines. The future is a dystopian nightmare. Next step already picking up steam vaccine travel passports. no vaccine no travel

-No Mask so Service
-No vaccine no Service
-No Chip so service.

The authoritarians are on the march
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2020-12-07-show/

 

[byco42]

Sure. But amount matters. Less is better than more.

I wonder how that applies to passing it on to someone else.

 

[byco42]

What is a medical tyranny?

doctors and nurses making sure your blood pressure is low, and you're eating a balanced diet?

I'm surprised you can't surmise the restrictions that can be placed on a person who refuses to comply with being vaccinated, or who objects in public to the policies of government to that effect.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I wonder that applies to passing it on to someone else.

Yes. Why wouldn't it?


So are you going to believe in this in like February or March when we can add up how many total people died in the US in 2020 and it's like 3.3 million?

 

[byco42]

Yes. Why wouldn't it?


So are you going to believe in this in like February or March when we can add up how many total people died in the US in 2020 and it's like 3.3 million?

Not sure what your response is all about. My point: So someone with a few CV19 spores with no symptoms will only pass on a similar "version" of the virus to someone else, und so weiter?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Not sure what your response is all about. My point: So someone with a few CV19 spores with no symptoms will only pass on a similar "version" of the virus to someone else, und so weiter?

That's not my understanding. My understanding is that covid, more than the flu, based on contact tracing anecdotes (I think), has significantly more symptom free super-spreader people, people that shed tons of virus without knowing it.


My response is based on me not being able to pin down what you think about how many people this is killing.

 

[Gulo Blue]

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/06/15/1003576/whats-a-coronavirus-superspreader/


Most people don't spread the virus much. But since we can't ID the people doing the bulk of the spreading, we try to get everybody to act like it might be them. Since we're spiking again, we're not doing enough. It would be nice if we could do the easy stuff, like wear masks and don't hang out in crowded bars, before doing less desirable mitigation stuff. But officials can only turn the dials they have available. So if people refuse to wear masks and stay home over frivolousness stuff, officials end up doing things they wouldn't have to otherwise.

 

[byco42]

That's not my understanding. My understanding is that covid, more than the flu, based on contact tracing anecdotes (I think), has significantly more symptom free super-spreader people, people that shed tons of virus without knowing it.


My response is based on me not being able to pin down what you think about how many people this is killing.

257,953 as of yesterday, with this massive caveat.

"COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD–10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death – or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation."

As I have said before, I would like to know the ratios of "cause of death", "probable", and "presumed."

"It is important to emphasize that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

Again, the same interest in these distinctions would be useful to know. It would help answer the question "how many people."

As for the fact that its killing people at all -- whether or not I think masks are helpful is relevant ... how, exactly?