Coronainsanity

[Gulo Blue]

so, this guy doesn't seem to be a Dr. or anything, but I do like his little test. It seems to be common sense.

I could get picky about droplet sizes, but on the other hand, I am also in favor of fire.

 

[Michchamp]

so, this guy doesn't seem to be a Dr. or anything, but I do like his little test. It seems to be common sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cTDGqcUpA

I'm glad he wore a "Freedom Watch" t-shirt with an eagle and OLD GLORY on it, because otherwise I'd assume he was just some libtard chicom agent, sent to confuse us so we'd spread the Chinese Virus.


Right, mack & mud?

 

[tinselwolverine]

The very concept of "mask guidelines" is flawed. There are either effective or ineffective masks. "Bandannas are better than nothing" is not proof, or even a rationale that they are even marginally effective.

We are not even instructed to wear masks that actually work. Source: New England Journal of Medicine.

So, what is the actual reason? Symbolism, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."

If we stopped wearing masks, and if the media would stop bombarding us with COVID, this story would evaporate in a week. We've seen it happen once already, over the summer.

It's irresponsible for a municipality to enact an ordinance that does not accomplish what it purports to accomplish. Where is the scientific data that even illustrates that bandannas and scarfs are effective in limiting the spread of a virus?

Just keep your distance. Wash your hands. Sneeze and cough into your sleeve. Wipe your surfaces. Demonstrate a modicum of common sense.

I know, right?

The media got busy coddling mostly peaceful riots, and Covid just magically went away.

 

[byco42]

And, considering the infection and death rates, if you don't think masks work, how do you propose we get the infections down? Lockdowns?

Many of the authoritative bodies and influencers even think additional lockdowns are ineffective.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Many of the authoritative bodies and influencers even think additional lockdowns are ineffective.

Ignore it and let people die then?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Ignore it and let people die then?

If the lockdowns are ineffective, people are going to die anyway.

That?s kind of the literal definition of ineffective.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If the lockdowns are ineffective, people are going to die anyway.

That?s kind of the literal definition of ineffective.

Not everybody follows the rules or guidelines. That doesn't mean the rules are ineffective. The rules aren't the same everywhere, they aren't followed the same everywhere, and the results aren't the same everywhere. None of that is a good reason to say there should be no rules or no guidelines.

 

[byco42]

Ignore it and let people die then?

Enact ineffective lockdowns, destroy the economy (especially small businesses) and kill more people in the related after effects?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Enact ineffective lockdowns, destroy the economy (especially small businesses) and kill more people in the related after effects?

Masks don't do any of that. Adapting business practices to enable commerce as much as possible while minimizing risk is a challenge we could handle if people could follow the guidelines, and when they don't, yes, lockdowns. Which is a last ditch resort after people failed at the stuff that might have worked.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Not everybody follows the rules or guidelines. That doesn't mean the rules are ineffective. The rules aren't the same everywhere, they aren't followed the same everywhere, and the results aren't the same everywhere. None of that is a good reason to say there should be no rules or no guidelines.

I have no idea how effective or ineffective our address has been, and nobody else does either. In 1784, byco refers to something some authorities are saying about their effectiveness.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I have no idea how effective or ineffective our address has been, and nobody else does either. In 1784, byco refers to something some authorities are saying about their effectiveness.

I thought you had particular ire for the rules specific to your address.


Unless you mean the 'results' bit, and yes, results vary with temperature and humidity.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I thought you had particular ire for the rules specific to your address.


Unless you mean the 'results' bit, and yes, results vary with temperature and humidity.

I have an ire for rules that are not only not supported by science but actually contradicted by science.

Specifically, the science confirms that outdoor dining has contributed zero to the increase in cases hospitalizations or deaths. Obviously, that?s kind of localized to warm weather climates.

Also - N 95 medical grade masks can be effective worn properly ? except the government doesn?t want us using those. They want us instead to let the medical professionals use the N 95 masks which is fine with me - but don?t make the rest of us wear these worthless pieces of shit because of your virtue signaling ? I?m saying that to the powers that be, not to anybody on the board.

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm glad he wore a "Freedom Watch" t-shirt with an eagle and OLD GLORY on it, because otherwise I'd assume he was just some libtard chicom agent, sent to confuse us so we'd spread the Chinese Virus.


Right, mack & mud?

Wrong guy again - I just learned the definition of chicom a few weeks ago and have never used the term here or anywhere else. Keep trying.

I will say though, this guy is no less a scientist than Bill Nye, the Mythbusters, Al Gore or any other chicken little idiots you listen to so you might as well subscribe to Uncle Rob?s YouTube channel for more great science and fashion tips.

 

[Spartanmack]

I know, right?

The media got busy coddling mostly peaceful riots, and Covid just magically went away.

How can you be so obtuse? Lots of doctors said racism is a bigger national health concern than COVID and for that reason the mostly peaceful riots were critical, even essential to our national health.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I have an ire for rules that are not only not supported by science but actually contradicted by science.

Specifically, the science confirms that outdoor dining has contributed zero to the increase in cases hospitalizations or deaths. Obviously, that’s kind of localized to warm weather climates.

Also - N 95 medical grade masks can be effective worn properly – except the government doesn’t want us using those. They want us instead to let the medical professionals use the N 95 masks which is fine with me - but don’t make the rest of us wear these worthless pieces of shit because of your virtue signaling – I’m saying that to the powers that be, not to anybody on the board.

N95s were available to regular people in the middle of the summer. I haven't looked to see if they still are.



I would be very surprised if regular masks were worthless. I think there's a solid body of research indicating that they help a lot. Not that they are foolproof or that all masks are created equal, but they help a lot.



But I'm with you on the outdoor dining.

 

[Spartanmack]

If the lockdowns are ineffective, people are going to die anyway.

That?s kind of the literal definition of ineffective.

Dude, the lockdown was effective which is why we need another effective lockdown because the first effective lockdown didn?t work. Wait, that doesn?t make sense. Lockdowns are not effective as demonstrated by the fact that cases are rising which is why we need another one.

 

[Spartanmack]

N95s were available to regular people in the middle of the summer. I haven't looked to see if they still are.



I would be very surprised if regular masks were worthless. I think there's a solid body of research indicating that they help a lot. Not that they are foolproof or that all masks are created equal, but they help a lot.



But I'm with you on the outdoor dining.

We couldn’t buy N95 masks in early August, had to get some from my brother in law who is a surgeon - and those were ones that had been used and reconditioned because even hospitals couldn’t get new N95 masks. We were able to get KN95 masks but given the reasonably high probability they weren’t actually KN95 compliant, we opted for the used N95.

 

[Gulo Blue]

We couldn’t buy N95 masks in early August, had to get some from my brother in law who is a surgeon - and those were ones that had been used and reconditioned because even hospitals couldn’t get new N95 masks. We were able to get KN95 masks but given the reasonably high probability they weren’t actually KN95 compliant, we opted for the used N95.

There's a website of manufacturers of KN95 masks that have been tested and work. I think it's CDC.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Or maybe they are N95. In any event, options from the list were available, but I'm not sure if they still are.



https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/n95list1-a.html

 

[Spartanmack]

There's a website of manufacturers of KN95 masks that have been tested and work. I think it's CDC.

We scoured the internet, local networks in NJ, MD and MI and couldn?t get N95 masks. If the 2 biggest hospitals in Lansing couldn?t get them, I?d be surprised we were just looking in the wrong places.