Coronainsanity

[tinselwolverine]

They sometimes recurred for decades though. Herd immunity is not easy to achieve in the context of a human lifetime.

From a philosophical standpoint, it's amusing watching the "deeply held" beliefs of some Americans like "personal freedom" and "the sanctity of human life" change from one second to another to "everybody go die so businesses don't suffer."

Of course they did.

I think some recurred over the course of centuries.

But everybody didn?t ?just go die so business don?t suffer.?

Everyone who didn?t die still had to eat - call that doing business or whatever ya wanna call it.

Trump is nothing if not in artful, but what he said was absolutely correct - Covid is going to die out before the human race does, with or without a vaccine, just like every other horrific deadly disease that ever came down the pike before the era of vaccination did before it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Of course it would go away without a vaccine.

From the dawn of time horrific deadly illnesses been a part of human life.

The ones that happened during the time before we knew how to make vaccines just killed everybody that they were going to kill, and then died out when the rest of society developed heard immunity.

Do you think that was the idea Trump was intending to convey?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Do you think that was the idea Trump was intending to convey?

Probably not - even if he were be able to convey in the most logical rational manner possible - which he wouldn?t be able to do for a myriad of reasons, starting with the fact that he?s not the most logical rational person around.

That said, it ain?t really the type of thing voters are going to wanna hear - ?don?t worry - long after we?re all dead, the human race will go on, regardless of how many of us died of Covid or not.?

People generally don?t tend to be that stoic.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Probably not - even if he were be able to convey in the most logical rational manner possible - which he wouldn?t be able to do for a myriad of reasons, starting with the fact that he?s not the most logical rational person around.

That said, it ain?t really the type of thing voters are going to wanna hear - ?don?t worry - long after we?re all dead, the human race will go on, regardless of how many of us died of Covid or not.?

People generally don?t tend to be that stoic.

I feel like this is a good example. His fixer even said this is how he operates. If you parse the language like a lawyer, you often don't find the actual idea that he tried to convey and everyone understood.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I feel like this is a good example. His fixer even said this is how he operates. If you parse the language like a lawyer, you often don't find the actual idea that he tried to convey and everyone understood.

There?s a place between a long shore man and Clarence Darrow.

Trump?s bluntness was read by many who hated him as callous and unfeeling, as opposed to pragmatic.

 

[Gulo Blue]

There?s a place between a long shore man and Clarence Darrow.

Trump?s bluntness was read by many who hated him as callous and unfeeling, as opposed to pragmatic.

I don't think it's real bluntness though. The idea he conveys is blunt, but he doesn't actually say it in quotable, lawyer-parsing form. If you want to hear the blunt thing (either because you love it or hate it) then you understood that that's what he was saying. But if you want to pick it apart and report it as news, that same jump from what he said to what he meant is unfair journalism.

 

[Spartanmack]

It's perfectly clear, why don't you go back and look for it?

Because I haven?t moved them - I?m not the on who misplaced them.

 

[Spartanmack]

this one is my favorite.

"the government shouldn't be telling us we can't do what we want, make us wear masks, limit our freedoms, just because of some disease"

another COVID outbreak occurs

"the government didn't protect us. We need more hospital beds and a vaccine"

Kind of like that "cop free" zone that was in Seattle. They didn't want any police in that area, so the cops left. Then someone got shot and the same people that didn't want any police in the area complained that it took too long for the police to respond to the shooting. :hmm:

I don’t know anyone who was saying anything like your first quote that is now saying the anything like the second. The people I hear complaining about lockdowns, particularly small business owners suffering under this arbitrary bs have all been pretty consistent from day 1.

 

[Spartanmack]

that last part sounds like a story made up for some right wing blog

agreed, I don't think that's how it happened either. Those people weren't whining about how long it took the police and paramedics to respond, they were actively impeding the police and EMTs from from finding the shooter(s) and helping the victims.

 

[sggatecl]

“Just because they believe my ideas doesn’t mean that I have to.”

 

[tinselwolverine]

?Just because they believe my ideas doesn?t mean that I have to.?

Don?t know who she is.

Is that her getting the vaccine?

I don?t believe what you put in quotation is an actual quote from anyone.

Two things are absolutely true - the virus is real.

The data isn?t.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It is in inarguable that a Covid-19 cause of death is more lucrative for medical facilities than one that isn’t - USA TODAY - it’s simply a fact.

We’ve known this from the beginning.

That doesn’t mean Covid isn’t real - two different things can both be true.

 

[sggatecl]

Don?t know who she is.

Is that her getting the vaccine?

Senator from Iowa. Yes, it is.

I don?t believe what you put in quotation is an actual quote from anyone.

I'm glad you picked up on that. Sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

Two things are absolutely true - the virus is real.

The data isn?t.

What are we attributing these spikes to then?

It is in inarguable that a Covid-19 cause of death is more lucrative for medical facilities than one that isn?t - USA TODAY - it?s simply a fact.

We?ve known this from the beginning.

That doesn?t mean Covid isn?t real - two different things can both be true.

"Two different things can both be true."

I agree. Like COVID-19 being 'more lucrative' and doctors faking Covid deaths.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I don?t know what those pictures are supposed to be showing.

Are they showing spikes in COVID-19 infections happening now?

It?s cold and flu season. There are spikes now in all upper respiratory infections.

Is there any data on influenza deaths this flu season?

I haven?t heard anything.

This may end up being the first flu season in history with zero deaths recorded as being a result of the flu.

Also the CDC kept records of deaths attributed to obesity, hypertension, diabetes and simply old age - I did a search engine search to verify that that?s true, anyone can do the same thing.

Are suddenly deaths attributed to any of those things simply no longer being recorded?

I don?t hear anything about that.

Or are people miraculously suddenly not dying of those things anymore?

Maybe Covid is actually a godsend.

Sure, it kills a few people, but it seems to cure a lotta shit that by themselves used to be quite deadly.

 

[Spartanmack]

It is in inarguable that a Covid-19 cause of death is more lucrative for medical facilities than one that isn?t - USA TODAY - it?s simply a fact.

We?ve known this from the beginning.

That doesn?t mean Covid isn?t real - two different things can both be true.

we're having our first direct experience with that now. My mother-in-law who is receiving end of life care recently contracted coronavirus from her home health care aide who was administering that care. Now she'll be counted as a COVID death despite the fact she would most likely be gone by mid January at the latest and probably sooner.

 

[Spartanmack]

”Two different things can both be true."

I agree. Like COVID-19 being 'more lucrative' and doctors faking Covid deaths.

Not sure what you mean by this - that's not really two different things, one is happening because of the other. Saying they’re two different or unrelated things would be like saying people robbing banks is unrelated to the fact that banks are where the money is.

 

[byco42]

This pandemic is unique. It tells time, is neutralized by six feet of distance, cannot be contracted in large businesses and corporations, but is lethal in small businesses, mutates regularly, is constantly changing, but a vaccine has -- no TWO -- no THREE -- vaccines were developed in nine months (science!) that the entire world's population needs, though the survival rate for people in the US who get the virus is 99.98 percent.

And masks are symbolic. When I wear one, my glasses instantly fog up. Biden will "ask" Americans to wear a mask in public, whether indoors or outdoors. I'll refuse.

 

[Spartanmack]

This pandemic is unique. It tells time, is neutralized by six feet of distance, cannot be contracted in large businesses and corporations, but is lethal in small businesses, mutates regularly, is constantly changing, but a vaccine has -- no TWO -- no THREE -- vaccines were developed in nine months (science!) that the entire world's population needs, though the survival rate for people in the US who get the virus is 99.98 percent.

And masks are symbolic. When I wear one, my glasses instantly fog up. Biden will "ask" Americans to wear a mask in public, whether indoors or outdoors. I'll refuse.

It also cannot be contracted at a mostly peaceful riot, but is deadly in a house of worship with more than 25 people in attendance.

 

[tinselwolverine]

we're having our first direct experience with that now. My mother-in-law who is receiving end of life care recently contracted coronavirus from her home health care aide who was administering that care. Now she'll be counted as a COVID death despite the fact she would most likely be gone by mid January at the latest and probably sooner.

Sorry - but you?re right.

Been through end of life myself with both parents and numerous other elder loved ones.

Not easy.

Part of life.

 

[tinselwolverine]

This pandemic is unique. It tells time, is neutralized by six feet of distance, cannot be contracted in large businesses and corporations, but is lethal in small businesses, mutates regularly, is constantly changing, but a vaccine has -- no TWO -- no THREE -- vaccines were developed in nine months (science!) that the entire world's population needs, though the survival rate for people in the US who get the virus is 99.98 percent.

And masks are symbolic. When I wear one, my glasses instantly fog up. Biden will "ask" Americans to wear a mask in public, whether indoors or outdoors. I'll refuse.

I only wear the mask when I need to to get paid.

Which is often - but almost never longer than a few seconds at a time.

Oh, and you forgot the pandemic is racist - it especially hates black people and other minorities.

Wonder if there?s a way to deputize it?

Would fit right in with our systemic racist institutions of law enforcement.