Coronainsanity

[Spartanmack]

I only wear the mask when I need to to get paid.

Which is often - but almost never longer than a few seconds at a time.

Oh, and you forgot the pandemic is racist - it especially hates black people and other minorities.

Wonder if there?s a way to deputize it?

Would fit right in with our systemic racist institutions of law enforcement.

I hear you - reminds me of how I quit smoking. I cut back to only 1 cigarette after sex so right away I was down to just 2 packs a day, then slowly weened myself off it completely.

As for the racist bit about the pandemic you're not wrong - I read a piece that quoted a number of doctors and health officials saying we should use social justice measures in deciding who gets the vaccine first. Basically, they were all saying we should prioritize essential workers over old people because there are more minorities among essential workers while old people were mostly white because they had better access to healthcare and have lived longer.

 

[sggatecl]

I don?t know what those pictures are supposed to be showing.

Are they showing spikes in COVID-19 infections happening now?

It literally says in the title what it is. I don't if you're putting on your best Warden Norton imitation or if it was late when you looked at it. I don't know if I can explain it in simpler terms.

It?s cold and flu season. There are spikes now in all upper respiratory infections.

Is there any data on influenza deaths this flu season?

I haven?t heard anything.

This may end up being the first flu season in history with zero deaths recorded as being a result of the flu.

Also the CDC kept records of deaths attributed to obesity, hypertension, diabetes and simply old age - I did a search engine search to verify that that?s true, anyone can do the same thing.

Are suddenly deaths attributed to any of those things simply no longer being recorded?

I don?t hear anything about that.

Or are people miraculously suddenly not dying of those things anymore?

Maybe Covid is actually a godsend.

Sure, it kills a few people, but it seems to cure a lotta shit that by themselves used to be quite deadly.

This is all irrelevant really. My source, which I encourage you to look at again, referred to TOTAL deaths, not COVID/Flu/Car accident/Mom in law got infected by her caretakers/etc. TOTAL deaths. There are spikes this year that didn't exist in the previous 5 years, that correlate with spikes in COVID infections. If you maintain that it's not COVID that's causing this spike in deaths, what do you think it is? Why are the spikes in (TOTAL) deaths less prevalent in New Zealand where COVID was managed and contained properly?

Even if you and Mack were right and all the doctors were in on this money making scheme to blame every death on COVID, that wouldn't explain the increase in TOTAL deaths.

And as far as the crack about there being no deaths attributed to the flu or other non COVID illnesses, I've linked numbers that very much disagree with that statement in the past.

 

[tinselwolverine]

It literally says in the title what it is. I don't if you're putting on your best Warden Norton imitation or if it was late when you looked at it. I don't know if I can explain it in simpler terms.



This is all irrelevant really. My source, which I encourage you to look at again, referred to TOTAL deaths, not COVID/Flu/Car accident/Mom in law got infected by her caretakers/etc. TOTAL deaths. There are spikes this year that didn't exist in the previous 5 years, that correlate with spikes in COVID infections. If you maintain that it's not COVID that's causing this spike in deaths, what do you think it is? Why are the spikes in (TOTAL) deaths less prevalent in New Zealand where COVID was managed and contained properly?

Even if you and Mack were right and all the doctors were in on this money making scheme to blame every death on COVID, that wouldn't explain the increase in TOTAL deaths.

And as far as the crack about there being no deaths attributed to the flu or other non COVID illnesses, I've linked numbers that very much disagree with that statement in the past.

Okay - again, I don?t understand what those pics are supposed to mean.

Also I didn?t make any crack about any cracks about there being no influenza deaths - I said hadn?t heard any data on the number.

I guess I did make a crack that this could be the first flu season in history where there would be none - okay, that was a speculation, not a declaration, but yeah, of course it was a crack.

If those pictures are showing deaths this season attributed to the flu, I?m completely missing it.

I?m not saying every medical facility is misreporting every death it can to make loot off the Medicare payment, but it seems Pollyanna-ish to think that none are.

 

[tomdalton22]

Why are the spikes in (TOTAL) deaths less prevalent in New Zealand where COVID was managed and contained properly?

I love it when people compare how our country handled COVID to the country of New Zealand. New Zealand. An isolated island about the size of Colorado but over 1 million fewer residents than Colorado. A country with only one city with more than 1 million people and only 7 with more than 100K.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I hear you - reminds me of how I quit smoking. I cut back to only 1 cigarette after sex so right away I was down to just 2 packs a day, then slowly weened myself off it completely.

As for the racist bit about the pandemic you're not wrong - I read a piece that quoted a number of doctors and health officials saying we should use social justice measures in deciding who gets the vaccine first. Basically, they were all saying we should prioritize essential workers over old people because there are more minorities among essential workers while old people were mostly white because they had better access to healthcare and have lived longer.

Doctors?

I?ve definitely heard it from health officials, and especially politicians, and most especially the idiot governor of the state where I live.

Meanwhile I keep hearing of some study done by some Israeli or something ?I keep not catching the exact source - projecting that if everybody over the age of 70 were to get vaccinated - just 7 and 1/2% of the population - the death rate would drop off by 75%.

 

[Spartanmack]

I love it when people compare how our country handled COVID to the country of New Zealand. New Zealand. An isolated island about the size of Colorado but over 1 million fewer residents than Colorado. A country with only one city with more than 1 million people and only 7 with more than 100K.

it's almost as good as the time mc mocked people for using South Dakota's example for managing the virus because no one lives there and no one travels there. Then less than a page later he posted an article citing Mongolia as the poster child for containing the virus.

 

[Spartanmack]

It literally says in the title what it is. I don't if you're putting on your best Warden Norton imitation or if it was late when you looked at it. I don't know if I can explain it in simpler terms.



This is all irrelevant really. My source, which I encourage you to look at again, referred to TOTAL deaths, not COVID/Flu/Car accident/Mom in law got infected by her caretakers/etc. TOTAL deaths. There are spikes this year that didn't exist in the previous 5 years, that correlate with spikes in COVID infections. If you maintain that it's not COVID that's causing this spike in deaths, what do you think it is? Why are the spikes in (TOTAL) deaths less prevalent in New Zealand where COVID was managed and contained properly?

Even if you and Mack were right and all the doctors were in on this money making scheme to blame every death on COVID, that wouldn't explain the increase in TOTAL deaths.

And as far as the crack about there being no deaths attributed to the flu or other non COVID illnesses, I've linked numbers that very much disagree with that statement in the past.

I think some of the deaths are due to COVID, for sure but I also think it's overstated and deaths due to non-COVID maladies like the flu and cancer as well as things like suicide, etc, etc have spiked because of how we are handling COVID and they probably account for a bigger chunk of that increase than we're being told. And I think a lot of those COVID excess deaths were due to mishandling of the virus by certain governors who rushed to use it to take more power from their constituents while making horrible decisions like forcing nursing homes to take COVID positive residents and infecting the most vulnerable demographic.

Not trusting the accuracy of the data or the prescriptions for how to control the population, I mean the virus, doesn't mean I think the virus isn't real or that it's not a threat, particularly to a vulnerable subset of the population.

 

[Spartanmack]

Doctors?

I’ve definitely heard it from health officials, and especially politicians, and most especially the idiot governor of the state where I live.

Meanwhile I keep hearing of some study done by some Israeli or something –I keep not catching the exact source - projecting that if everybody over the age of 70 were to get vaccinated - just 7 and 1/2% of the population - the death rate would drop off by 75%.

yes, doctors. You shouldn't be so surprised - weren't there several thousand medical professionals who signed an open letter declaring racism a bigger public health issue than the virus and therefore the peaceful riots were too important to not be exempted from the lockdowns? I believe that happened.

 

[sggatecl]

I think some of the deaths are due to COVID, for sure but I also think it's overstated and deaths due to non-COVID maladies like the flu and cancer as well as things like suicide, etc, etc have spiked because of how we are handling COVID and they probably account for a bigger chunk of that increase than we're being told. And I think a lot of those COVID excess deaths were due to mishandling of the virus by certain governors who rushed to use it to take more power from their constituents while making horrible decisions like forcing nursing homes to take COVID positive residents and infecting the most vulnerable demographic.

Not trusting the accuracy of the data or the prescriptions for how to control the population, I mean the virus, doesn't mean I think the virus isn't real or that it's not a threat, particularly to a vulnerable subset of the population.

While I don't agree with you, I appreciate that you at least answered my question. I really didn't think the point I was trying to convey was that complicated.

 

[sggatecl]

I love it when people compare how our country handled COVID to the country of New Zealand. New Zealand. An isolated island about the size of Colorado but over 1 million fewer residents than Colorado. A country with only one city with more than 1 million people and only 7 with more than 100K.

For the record, I don't think it's a fair comparison at all. But I do think it's relevant to include countries like Japan and New Zealand when people try to undersell the effects of COVID outside of their wallet.

 

[Spartanmack]

For the record, I don't think it's a fair comparison at all. But I do think it's relevant to include countries like Japan and New Zealand when people try to undersell the effects of COVID outside of their wallet.

and Mongolia, but not South Dakota.

 

[Spartanmack]

While I don't agree with you, I appreciate that you at least answered my question. I really didn't think the point I was trying to convey was that complicated.

I've been consistent on this point - it's what I've been saying since the beginning.

 

[tinselwolverine]

it's almost as good as the time mc mocked people for using South Dakota's example for managing the virus because no one lives there and no one travels there. Then less than a page later he posted an article citing Mongolia as the poster child for containing the virus.

Damn.

Didn?t pick up on that one.

A person has to be a big fan of the ?MichChamp and Mack? show to catch every punchline the first time around.

Fortunately, reruns are abundant.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0KnlN4OAjmQ

 

[Spartanmack]

Damn.

Didn?t pick up on that one.

A person has to be a big fan of the ?MichChamp and Mack? show to catch every punchline the first time around.

Fortunately, reruns are abundant.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0KnlN4OAjmQ

If only I negotiated a better syndication deal!

 

[Spartanmack]

so my 85 year old mother-in-law who has been slowly then rapidly fading away over the last year, subsisting on less than 500 calories a day for the last few weeks, recently contracted pneumonia (was basically doing exactly what she should do if she wanted to get pneumonia) and then COVID. She showed no real consequences from the virus and was treated with supplemental oxygen, Remdisivir (sp?) and a steroid - all while not eating anything and drinking only water and ginger ale. Now after 5 days in a COVID ward at a hospital, she's at a rehab facility trying to rebuild her strength so she can go home, go into hospice and eventually be counted as a COVID death despite never showing any symptoms of the virus despite being 85 and extremely frail.

Also, my 79 year old father-in-law is sitting at home, isolated and lonely after also testing positive but having no symptoms other than a cough - so basically he has a cold and COVID. I wouldn't call him a healthy 79 - he's going deaf and blind and has persistent back issues, but he doesn't have a lot of the comorbidities (high blood pressure, diabetes, heart condition, etc). So that makes 3 people I know, all over 75 (one 94 with plenty of comorbidities) that have contracted and survived the virus with almost no symptoms whatsoever - granted, my 94 yo aunt has dementia so it's possible she had it worse than she remembers but the caregivers at her nursing home haven't given us any indication that she showed any symptoms and she was definitely not hospitalized.

I have no doubt if any of those 3 were to die for any reason in the next month or so, they'll be counted as COVID deaths - just like my friend's 80+ yr old dad who was treated successfully for COVID, then 3 months later fell, hit his head and died from severe brain trauma was counted as a COVID related death.

Obviously, this is anecdotal, but the virus is 0-4 against the only 4 people I know in the most vulnerable cohort (all 79 or older) who have contracted the virus - only one of them was actually sick from it - my friend's dad was hospitalized (I think he was on a respirator but not sure) for 3 weeks. Everyone else I know has been 55 or younger (mostly teenagers) and only one (the MD 2 doors down from me) even showed any symptoms, he said it felt like the flu.

 

[tomdalton22]

My oldest son lives with his fiance. She was diagnosed with COVID. He had the exact symptoms as she had and his test came back negative. Both were sick for about 3 days. They said it was cold/flu like. Both are 100% fine.

Either they both had it or neither had it.

I know about 5 other people that had it. As far as I know they all described it as a bad cold or flu like. I don't know any old people that got it.

 

[tomdalton22]

so, there have been almost 30M doses available and only about 10M people have received them. Seems like the states have dropped the ball on their planning. They had 10 months to figure out how they were going to get the vaccines out. Of course, the media is blaming the federal government.

 

[Spartanmack]

so, there have been almost 30M doses available and only about 10M people have received them. Seems like the states have dropped the ball on their planning. They had 10 months to figure out how they were going to get the vaccines out. Of course, the media is blaming the federal government.

10 months to figure out how to distribute a vaccine that's been ready for almost 10 months. Don't worry, the federal government will get to it and fix the problem just as soon as they're done with the far more important business of impeaching a President who will leave office peacefully weeks before they can go to trial.

 

[Michchamp]

10 months to figure out how to distribute a vaccine that's been ready for almost 10 months. Don't worry, the federal government will get to it and fix the problem just as soon as they're done with the far more important business of impeaching a President who will leave office peacefully weeks before they can go to trial.

So... Trump's administration did a terrible job distributing the vaccine, or is this someone else's fault already?

 

[tinselwolverine]

10 months to figure out how to distribute a vaccine that's been ready for almost 10 months. Don't worry, the federal government will get to it and fix the problem just as soon as they're done with the far more important business of impeaching a President who will leave office peacefully weeks before they can go to trial.

Meh, it?s not the whole federal, just the HOR for one day and now it?s done.

Much better use of Pelosi?s time than to have start fuckin? around with distribution and supply chains.