Coronainsanity

[Spartanmack]

Also news from jersey/ New York....a fucking state of emergency. Why do you need a state of emergency if everyone has a minor cold?

because our Governors are morons who don't follow the science and are enjoying their emergency powers. Hochul recently declared racism a public health emergency. I'd be careful using anything she does to support your argument. They're also the same governors who murdered thousand of elderly people by forcing nursing homes to accept COVID positive residents. Hochul wasn't in office at the time but she went along with whatever Cuomo did. Our governor just pulled and end around to extend his emergency powers after the state legislature didn't extend them long enough for his liking.

 

[Spartanmack]

Damn right they would, as we should, and yet it could happen here, it?s just a SC decision away from setting the stage from these types of things being entirely possible

tax the unvaccinated but let the smokers and obese have a free ride. Makes a lot of sense - good one Canada!

 

[Spartanmack]

u started a thread called "Chicom Global Enslavement"...

u started a thread called "Man, Bernie Sanders is so Great..."

 

[mhughes0021]

No, they won't. That's completely untrue - virtually everyone is saying it's less severe and I'm not aware of any predictions saying more people will die. Virtually everything I've seen says infection rates will be much higher but due to the significantly lower severity of the strain, hospitalizations and deaths will likely be lower - so my third grade math says the death rate will be much, much lower. And so far that seems to be how things are panning out. What I've seen for this area, infections are through the roof but hospitalizations and deaths are below peak levels for Delta and the original strain - and people are saying Omicron is already peaking.

You're last paragraph is simply false, you probably got a C at best in 3rd grad math.

They say "less severe" because they are referring to the death rate....which i already explained gets driven lower by the sheer amount of cases. "less severe" is something cute you say to make yourself feel better. Those of us here in reality understand that were only 2 weeks into this wave and EVERY major hotspot has hospitals over capacity already....now project that out over the next 4 weeks....its going to be a mess. What about that screems less severe to you? No one goes to the hospital because they have a cold or a runny nose.

 

[tomdalton22]

They say "less severe" because they are referring to the death rate....which i already explained gets driven lower by the sheer amount of cases. "less severe" is something cute you say to make yourself feel better. Those of us here in reality understand that were only 2 weeks into this wave and EVERY major hotspot has hospitals over capacity already....now project that out over the next 4 weeks....its going to be a mess. What about that screems less severe to you? No one goes to the hospital because they have a cold or a runny nose.

the death rate does not get driven down by the "sheer number of cases"

 

[mhughes0021]

the death rate does not get driven down by the "sheer number of cases"

10/1000 = .01

10/1000000 = .00001

Yes it does. Not to mention we havent given proper amount of time for those that are in the hospital to die yet

 

[tomdalton22]

10/1000 = .01

10/1000000 = .00001

Yes it does. Not to mention we havent given proper amount of time for those that are in the hospital to die yet

let me try to explain this to you again.

Let's base the death rate on a per 1000 cases and make it a percentage.

Delta variant. 10 death per 1000 cases = 1% death rate.
Omicron variant. 0.2 deaths per 1000 cases = 0.2% death rate

1M cases of Delta = 10,000 deaths
1M cases of Omicron = 2,000 deaths

now, if we have 20M cases of Omicron = 40,000 deaths

you see...it's the number of deaths that drive the death rate...not the number of cases. The number of cases will drive the death totals.

 

[tinselwolverine]

They say "less severe" because they are referring to the death rate....which i already explained gets driven lower by the sheer amount of cases. "less severe" is something cute you say to make yourself feel better. Those of us here in reality understand that were only 2 weeks into this wave and EVERY major hotspot has hospitals over capacity already....now project that out over the next 4 weeks....its going to be a mess. What about that screems less severe to you? No one goes to the hospital because they have a cold or a runny nose.

You got to be kidding. Non-urgent cases are the majority of ER visits.

 

[Michchamp]

the other thing (the experts were saying in 2020) the MAGA crowd never could get through their thick skulls is that the death rate assumes patients get medical care.

If there are no more ventilators and oxygen tanks in hospitals because there are too many patients coming in, more people will die.

This is just common

 

[mhughes0021]

You got to be kidding. Non-urgent cases are the majority of ER visits.

Then people are dumber than i thought. Why the fuck would anyone go to the ER with a runny nose with a global pandemic going on? Spartan said we are doing everything we can to stop the pandemic....and here you are saying people with a runny nose go to a hospital full of sick people to get care. Which is it?

 

[mhughes0021]

let me try to explain this to you again.

Let's base the death rate on a per 1000 cases and make it a percentage.

Delta variant. 10 death per 1000 cases = 1% death rate.
Omicron variant. 0.2 deaths per 1000 cases = 0.2% death rate

1M cases of Delta = 10,000 deaths
1M cases of Omicron = 2,000 deaths

now, if we have 20M cases of Omicron = 40,000 deaths

you see...it's the number of deaths that drive the death rate...not the number of cases. The number of cases will drive the death totals.

Let me put it this way since we disagree on how the cases will impact the death rate.....

If Omicron sees the same number of deaths as Delta....would you classify that as less severe?

 

[zyxt9]

the other thing (the experts were saying in 2020) the MAGA crowd never could get through their thick skulls is that the death rate assumes patients get medical care.

If there are no more ventilators and oxygen tanks in hospitals because there are too many patients coming in, more people will die.

This is just common

Common???

The only known instance of this is when India was getting ravaged. This has NOT happened in the US, not like you are claiming. There were hospitals that had to redirect ambulances to other hospitals, but I'm unaware of any critical cases being flat out denied hospitalization or treatment.

And the current hospitalizations are still roughly 15-25% Covid and 50% other conditions resulting in hospitals being at 75% capacity.

With Omicron, patients are also being released from the hospital sooner. Early Covid cases stayed for weeks. That is still true for some Omicron cases, but the vast majority are released in days, not weeks...sometimes even hours. There are many ways in which the Hospitalizations numbers do not provide details. They are a 1st level piece of data. The real quality of the data exists in the details, of which we generally only look at Deaths...but even that is misleading as, just like with hospitalizations, the numbers don't even differentiate between a person who has a different issue while testing positive for Covid vs someone whose issue is Covid.

 

[tomdalton22]

Let me put it this way since we disagree on how the cases will impact the death rate.....

If Omicron sees the same number of deaths as Delta....would you classify that as less severe?

if 1,000,000 people had Delta and 10,000,000 get Omicron and the same number of people die...yes, the virus is less sever but the outcome is just as bad.

 

[zyxt9]

Then people are dumber than i thought. Why the fuck would anyone go to the ER with a runny nose with a global pandemic going on? Spartan said we are doing everything we can to stop the pandemic....and here you are saying people with a runny nose go to a hospital full of sick people to get care. Which is it?

Some are so freaked out due to the Fear Market System pushing their Covid fear that there are people with a simple cold going to the ER because they are so afraid of Covid. Maybe they also took a Covid home test and it was a false positive so they raced to the ER despite having no need to actually be there. Fear is powerful. Hell, it is what is driving you to post what you do.

 

[zyxt9]

Let me put it this way since we disagree on how the cases will impact the death rate.....

If Omicron sees the same number of deaths as Delta....would you classify that as less severe?

Yes. Absolutely. Because you have to not only look at the Mortality but the Survivability. That is the piece you are excluding because you have bought into the Fear Market System.

Delta itself has a 98% Survivability. Omicron has a 99.8% Survivability so far. So while they have the same number of deaths, the number who survive Delta is dramatically less than the number who survive Omicron.

Stop being afraid. That is not to say stop being smart or stop taking precautions, but you are - based on your posts - allowing the fear to consume you. Odds are very high you will survive if you catch Omicron...believe you will be fine because that is the far greater probability. If you were given the odds of your favorite team winning by these percentages, you would put your money on your team, not the opponent. COULD they still lose? Sure, that has a very small chance of happening...and there would be a touch of anxiety... but you are acting as though your team only has the 0.2% chance to win.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yes. Absolutely. Because you have to not only look at the Mortality but the Survivability. That is the piece you are excluding because you have bought into the Fear Market System.

Delta itself has a 98% Survivability. Omicron has a 99.8% Survivability so far. So while they have the same number of deaths, the number who survive Delta is dramatically less than the number who survive Omicron.

the thing we don't know is the reason for a higher survivability. Could it be because a large percentage of people got vaccinated? Is it because it's less deadly? Is it because a lot of people have natural immunity because they got exposed to the first wave of COVID but had no signs or symptoms?

There are a lot of variables.

 

[Spartanmack]

the other thing (the experts were saying in 2020) the MAGA crowd never could get through their thick skulls is that the death rate assumes patients get medical care.

If there are no more ventilators and oxygen tanks in hospitals because there are too many patients coming in, more people will die.

This is just common

and that's where public health officials have failed us. These "experts" have been ignoring treatments that work to focus on vaccines they're responsible for plenty of deaths because of their failed focus on prevention. That is what people should be incensed about but you're too busy screaming at people who didn't take a vaccine they don't need that also won't prevent them from getting or spreading the virus.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Then people are dumber than i thought. Why the fuck would anyone go to the ER with a runny nose with a global pandemic going on? Spartan said we are doing everything we can to stop the pandemic....and here you are saying people with a runny nose go to a hospital full of sick people to get care. Which is it?

Well, the site I linked to is more of an authority than I am, and the article is from a little before the Covid but human nature hasn?t changed and yes, a percentage of people are monumentally dumb.

The discussion about how many people are mis-using emergency rooms has been going on for some time though, I wouldn?t have thought it was any mystery.

 

[Michchamp]

Common???

...

was supposed to say "common sense"

and that's where public health officials have failed us. These "experts" have been ignoring treatments that work to focus on vaccines they're responsible for plenty of deaths because of their failed focus on prevention. That is what people should be incensed about but you're too busy screaming at people who didn't take a vaccine they don't need that also won't prevent them from getting or spreading the virus.

Again, I am against vaccine mandates. I think everyone should get them, but I have posted repeatedly I don't think the vaccines should be mandatory. And now, as their efficacy appears more fleeting, I think we should focus on masking, testing and tracing, and shutdowns as needed. We should be following a zero covid strategy like China and other Asian countries, not the "Let people die, FUCK IT" strategy.

Other people here have posted all sorts of bullshit scare tactics about the vaccines. I have mocked those. I HAVE done that. I guess that means I'm "screaming" and the people claiming vaccines are more likely to kill you than COVID (or similar bullshit) are totally calm, and "FoLLLOwING teH sCiEnCe"

 

[Spartanmack]

was supposed to say "common sense"



Again, I am against vaccine mandates. I think everyone should get them, but I have posted repeatedly I don't think the vaccines should be mandatory. And now, as their efficacy appears more fleeting, I think we should focus on masking, testing and tracing, and shutdowns as needed. We should be following a zero covid strategy like China and other Asian countries, not the "Let people die, FUCK IT" strategy.

Other people here have posted all sorts of bullshit scare tactics about the vaccines. I have mocked those. I HAVE done that. I guess that means I'm "screaming" and the people claiming vaccines are more likely to kill you than COVID (or similar bullshit) are totally calm, and "FoLLLOwING teH sCiEnCe"

I know you're against mandates but you're not against yelling at people who decide not to get them or accusing them of being selfish or not caring if other people die despite the KNOWN fact that vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission. In your mind, you're the only one that cares and everyone who disagrees with you is selfish.

We shouldnt' be focusing on masks and lockdowns, we should take reasonable measures to slow the spread, protect the most vulnerable among us like the elderly and people with comorbidities (maybe even by isolating them), focus on early treatment and natural immunity.