Could be a blessing.

[pr0tege]

In all reality tonight's rain-out could be a blessing in disguise if you look over the whole picture. We already knew we had the deeper OVERALL rotation especially considering the Yankee's were planning on using a 3 man rotation in the ALDS where as the Tigers were planning on a 4 man rotation.

Now with that said yeah we miss having JV pitch 2 games (if necessary) BUT we also according to Girardi will miss seeing CC in 2 games this series. We will now in game 4 have a favorable match-up with Porcello matching up against the struggling AJ Burnett.

As well we will now have Verlander pitching at home in game 3 against Sabathia which from early looks tonight will be a blessing. Verlander was showing signs of the gitters early with control issues and now will get the start at home where he is 32-8 with a 2.49era over the last 3 years. In addition we now face CC in Comerica where over his last 4 starts he is 0-4 with a 7.56era.

The hidden gem in this is that the Tigers have the "Current" hottest pitcher in baseball to fall back on for games 1 and 5 where as the Yankee's will have that fall onto a rookie. Look at the match-ups and see if you wouldn't be happy about this.

Fister vs Nova @NY (very favorable)
Scherzer vs Garcia @NY (This could be a bad match-up for us)
Verlander vs Sabathia @Det (As mentioned above)
Porcello vs Burnett @Det (very favorable) *If Needed*
Fister vs Nova @NY *If Needed*

 

[spockmaster]

i think it might work out for us on the whole, but i still dont like starting Scherzer in NY.

 

[johnny2x2x]

I think it will be good, we were obviously nervous. JV was shaky, Cabby declined and easy double play throw, Inge decided not to go home. Those were nervous players out there under the big lights.

This helps IMO. JV and CC were a close match, Fister is better than anything else the Yanks have. Scherzer on Sunday is a concern, but who is NY going to pitch?

 

[pr0tege]

I agree he did not look good there this year in his 1 start but in all fairness he is 3-0 in his career against NY. Last season in his only other start in NY he went 6 shutout innings in a 3-1 victory so its not like he hasn't never won a game there. In his only other start against NY this season which was in Detroit he went 8 shutout innings.

Guess we will just have to see this weekend how it all plays out especially with the weather.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I rather have JV against CC twice than JV against CC only once. Why be afraid of that scenario, the best starter is JV not CC.

 

[biggunsbob]

Us getting to use JV only once is not good... The advantage is clearly with the Yankees.. Our only saving grace is if we win game one with Fister.. Game one is a must win in my opinion because that takes some pressure off of Max. I cannot believe he has to pitch on the road.. terrible luck..

 

[pr0tege]

Mitch[/color]]I rather have JV against CC twice than JV against CC only once. Why be afraid of that scenario, the best starter is JV not CC.

If we were talking regular season then yeah so be it but this isn't the regular season anymore and CC has showed over the last 2 years (5-1) he doesn't mind the pressure of pitching in the postseason where as we don't know how JV will perform this time around in the postseason. One can only hope its better then in 2006 but he did look shaky tonight in his only inning of work so I guess we have to wait till Monday to see how he will perform.

 

[mjsb2]

The rain delay clearly benefits the Tigers.

 

[Mitchrapp]

HE DID NOT LOOK SHAKY. A strikout where the C missed and two GB where the defense fumbled and lead runners weren't thrown out. In fact the one hit to Miggy should have been an DP. And he walked a guy, far from shaky. And anyway, how many times does JV have a lengthy first to moving them down for 8 innings? He's the freaking triple crown winner and CY Young.

 

[mjsb2]

He didn't give up a hit, and no ball even left the infield.

How is that shaky?

The only hard hit ball was 20 feet foul.

 

[biggunsbob]

Yeah JV k'd Jeter on a wicked pitch the Jeter missed by more then a foot...

One problem we have is now we have our right handed line-up in there verses Nova. This could be a problem in the early innings 2-5 if you cannot hit Nova...

 

[mjsb2]

biggunsbob[/color]]Yeah JV k'd Jeter on a wicked pitch the Jeter missed by more then a foot...

One problem we have is now we have our right handed line-up in there verses Nova. This could be a problem in the early innings 2-5 if you cannot hit Nova...

Being that Nova is a finese pitcher, I'm not really worried about that.

Raburn hits finese guys, he struggles against power pitchers, so Nova won't really be a problem for him.

Magglio, well, Magglio shouldn't play. I know he hit nearly .400 in September, but that's because he had a fucking .467 BABIP. He still hit for no power. He shouldn't play, let alone bat 2nd.

WTF is up with Leyland putting 3 low OBP guys in front of Cabrera?

Inge is also better against finese pitchers, though he's trash regardless of who the pitcher is.

 

[spockmaster]

biggunsbob[/color]]Yeah JV k'd Jeter on a wicked pitch the Jeter missed by more then a foot...

One problem we have is now we have our right handed line-up in there verses Nova. This could be a problem in the early innings 2-5 if you cannot hit Nova...

Being that Nova is a finese pitcher, I'm not really worried about that.

Raburn hits finese guys, he struggles against power pitchers, so Nova won't really be a problem for him.

Magglio, well, Magglio shouldn't play. I know he hit nearly .400 in September, but that's because he had a fucking .467 BABIP. He still hit for no power. He shouldn't play, let alone bat 2nd.

WTF is up with Leyland putting 3 low OBP guys in front of Cabrera?

Inge is also better against finese pitchers, though he's trash regardless of who the pitcher is.

i used to wonder that, but then i realized he's probably senile and thinks strikeouts are actually walks.

 

[pr0tege]

Mitch[/color]]HE DID NOT LOOK SHAKY. A strikout where the C missed and two GB where the defense fumbled and lead runners weren't thrown out. In fact the one hit to Miggy should have been an DP. And he walked a guy, far from shaky. And anyway, how many times does JV have a lengthy first to moving them down for 8 innings? He's the freaking triple crown winner and CY Young.

I don't have doubt about his abilities but against the Yankee's he always tends to struggle with his pitch count more so then against any other team so tonight even though there were shaky plays in the field he still walked 2 batters.

Look over his career line against the Yankee's.

11 Total Starts
4-3
4.06 ERA
62 IP
4.5 BB/9
19 Pitches per Inning

And to combat the fact that this year he has had his best year to date and won the Pitching Triple Crown look over his stats from this year alone.

2 Starts
0-0
4.50 ERA
12 IP
6.0BB/9
20 Pitches per Inning

Only 2 times in 34 starts all year did Verlander surrender 4 or more walks in a game and both of those games were against New York.

Now I am the biggest Verlander fan as other then Jack Morris he is my favorite Tigers pitcher at least in my lifetime. Hell I have even had lunch with the kid at least once every spring training in Lakeland since 2006 but facts remain the same.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]HE DID NOT LOOK SHAKY. A strikout where the C missed and two GB where the defense fumbled and lead runners weren't thrown out. In fact the one hit to Miggy should have been an DP. And he walked a guy, far from shaky. And anyway, how many times does JV have a lengthy first to moving them down for 8 innings? He's the freaking triple crown winner and CY Young.

I don't have doubt about his abilities but against the Yankee's he always tends to struggle with his pitch count more so then against any other team so tonight even though there were shaky plays in the field he still walked 2 batters.

Look over his career line against the Yankee's.

11 Total Starts
4-3
4.06 ERA
62 IP
4.5 BB/9
19 Pitches per Inning

And to combat the fact that this year he has had his best year to date and won the Pitching Triple Crown look over his stats from this year alone.

2 Starts
0-0
4.50 ERA
12 IP
6.0BB/9
20 Pitches per Inning

Only 2 times in 34 starts all year did Verlander surrender 4 or more walks in a game and both of those games were against New York.

Now I am the biggest Verlander fan as other then Jack Morris he is my favorite Tigers pitcher at least in my lifetime. Hell I have even had lunch with the kid at least once every spring training in Lakeland since 2006 but facts remain the same.

He hasn't pitched against the Yanks in forever. I mean he has like one lost in his last 20 decisions or some shit like that. Playoffs or not I want the AL best going as often as possible.

 

[buddyboy2121]

this works in our favor big time, the team looked nervous and cc was getting in a grove. we would have barely squeaked that win out, now we have one of our best pitchers on the mound against a power throwing rookie with a lack of command and no out pitch

 

[Mitchrapp]

I hope you're right. But losing JV for a game still sucks. And I'm not sure getting 4 batters out after the HR is considered a groove.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Mitch[/color]]I hope you're right. But losing JV for a game still sucks. And I'm not sure getting 4 batters out after the HR is considered a groove.

but he struck out ajax and maggs to start off then delmon's homerun was a flyout in comerica. he is no slouch and i hope we can hit him better sunday. nova should be easy

 

[mjsb2]

this works in our favor big time, the team looked nervous and cc was getting in a grove. we would have barely squeaked that win out, now we have one of our best pitchers on the mound against a power throwing rookie with a lack of command and no out pitch

Nova isn't really a power pitcher.

His fastball is 92-93.

 

[buddyboy2121]

this works in our favor big time, the team looked nervous and cc was getting in a grove. we would have barely squeaked that win out, now we have one of our best pitchers on the mound against a power throwing rookie with a lack of command and no out pitch

Nova isn't really a power pitcher.

His fastball is 92-93.

that's not his fastball that's his sinker...