Election Aftermath

[Sbee]

yeah, and the FBI recently said the greatest threat to America is white supremacist domestic terrorism. Apparently the less than 10k members of the KKK pose a bigger threat to the US than either China or Russia not to mention the more than 2mm illegal immigrants that have entered the US since Biden took office.

Do you really expect me to believe that the report is only focused on the KKK, only 10k people as you said? The report specifically cited domestic terrorism, not white supremacists. There are a lot more domestic terrorists than white supremacists.

Of course this has nothing to do with Trump's big lie

 

[Sbee]

I?m not optimistic that selected states would ever adopt the Colorado model, which evolved over time and requires consistent supervision. It would assert that its own standards are sufficient. And there?s no way to forcibly change a state?s voting methods.

I'm just citing an example of statewide mail in ballots with a miniscule amount of fraud.

 

[Sbee]

No, it was evidence and none of it was dependent in any way on the increase in mail in ballots - it all had to do with the abrogation of state constitutions, shady/illegal tactics of pollsters and the security of those ballots and in some cases, how mail in ballots were treated differently, subject to less scrutiny than in prior elections. You must be smart enough to understand that, right?



No, I'm not arguing this to be a dick, I'm presenting the evidence that indicates the election was not fair and secure that you say doesn't exist. It clearly does, no matter how deep in the sand you bury your head. You're dismissing it and resorting to ad hominem insults rather than addressing the evidence - maybe to be a dick but more likely because you'd rather not try to dispute the evidence.

I'm choosing not to go down the rabbit hole of signature curing. Republicans are like Michigan fans, always some kind of excuse when they lose, it could never be that their ideas were not popular or that the party in power loses in the mid terms. The argument previously was about in person voter fraud, as if people are constantly voting multiple times in one day.

Saying the election was not fair and secure is a total reach, motivated reasoning. It didn't turn out the way you wanted it to so it has to be corrupt. I'll stand by the agencies that are filled with political conservatives that said that it was the most secure in history.

It's quite amazing that a sitting President actively campaigns for voter fraud and election rigging (asking the Georgia SOS to find him 12k votes) and it's the Democrats that are supposedly committing fraud. That's rich.

 

[Spartanmack]

Do you really expect me to believe that the report is only focused on the KKK, only 10k people as you said? The report specifically cited domestic terrorism, not white supremacists. There are a lot more domestic terrorists than white supremacists.

Of course this has nothing to do with Trump's big lie

No, the report says "racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists. Specifically those who advocate for the superiority of the white race."
- Mr. Garland testifying before the Senate Appropriations Committee.

I don't expect you to believe anything. I expect you to keep your head in the sand and remain willfully ignorant of these facts as long as that works out in your favor.

And I was wrong - the KKK currently has about 3k members. 10k is the total number of members of white supremacist groups. It's a joke that these people are a bigger threat than 2mm illegal immigrants committing murders, rapes and hauling tons of cocaine, heroine and fentinyl over our Southern border. That's 2mm SINCE Let's Go Brandon took office in January. If you believe the FBI, you are dumb. It's that simple.

You're correct, it doesn't have anything to do with the election but it does indicate that maybe you shouldn't trust something a government agency tells you just because you want to believe it. The DOJ in particular has been weaponized and is now using nonsense like this to investigate parents expressing opposition at school board meetings to radical extremist nonsense being taught in public schools.

Did you even look at Colorado's election laws and maybe compare it to those where elections results are being questioned or did you just buy into DHS nonsense saying they have the most secure elections because you want mass mail in voting?

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm choosing not to go down the rabbit hole of signature curing. Republicans are like Michigan fans, always some kind of excuse when they lose, it could never be that their ideas were not popular or that the party in power loses in the mid terms. The argument previously was about in person voter fraud, as if people are constantly voting multiple times in one day.

Saying the election was not fair and secure is a total reach, motivated reasoning. It didn't turn out the way you wanted it to so it has to be corrupt. I'll stand by the agencies that are filled with political conservatives that said that it was the most secure in history.

It's quite amazing that a sitting President actively campaigns for voter fraud and election rigging (asking the Georgia SOS to find him 12k votes) and it's the Democrats that are supposedly committing fraud. That's rich.

It's not a rabbit hole and it's not just signature curing. It's about guaranteeing the security of elections and you're choosing not to address it because you don't want it. You simply refuse to acknowledge the evidence and the possibility that this and future elections can be compromised due to lack of security and outright fraud.

The rest of this post is just bull shit deflection. I've been having these conversations on this board for as along as I can remember being on here - well before the 2020 election. Also, that's not what was asked for in that call.

 

[Sbee]

No, the report says "racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists. Specifically those who advocate for the superiority of the white race."
- Mr. Garland testifying before the Senate Appropriations Committee.

I don't expect you to believe anything. I expect you to keep your head in the sand and remain willfully ignorant of these facts as long as they continue to work out in your favor.

And I was wrong - the KKK currently has about 3k members. 10k is the total number of members of white supremacist groups. It's a joke that these people are a bigger threat than 2mm illegal immigrants committing murders, rapes and hauling tons of cocaine, heroine and fentinyl over our Southern border. That's 2mm SINCE Let's Go Brandon took office in January. If you believe that, you are dumb. It's that simple.

You're correct, it doesn't have anything to do with the election but it does indicate that maybe you shouldn't trust something a government agency tells you just because you want to believe it. The DOJ in particular has been weaponized and is now using nonsense like this to investigate parents expressing opposition at school board meetings to radical extremist nonsense being taught in public schools.

Did you even look at Colorado's election laws and maybe compare it to those where elections results are being questioned or did you just buy into DHS nonsense saying they have the most secure elections because you want mass mail in voting?

crime rates are lower for illegal immigrants than they are for native born Americans according to the Cato Institute. I guess you're buying into the Trump dog whistle that Mexicans are coming here to rape and murder. If we were serious about immigration we'd make every employer E-verify, make it illegal to rent housing to undocumented immigrants, but then were would all of the cheap labor come from? who would mow the fairway or clean the bathrooms in the hotel?

As for the drug trade, why are they bringing drugs over here? does it have anything to do with US demand for illicit drugs?

It's a very good political tactic to rally the reverse racism crowd, mexicans make a good villain for you guys. The guys with white skin can't be dangerous.

 

[tigermud]

Who said anything about Mexicans?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...e-case-is-another-illegal-immigration-failure

Fiston Ngoy Doesn?t sound Mexican to me, why is ya always so quick to assume those against illegal immigration are anti Mexican or something.

 

[tigermud]

Four months ago, Revolver News' Darren Beattie reported that the FBI was possibly involved in organizing the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

Their evidence? A glaring omission in charging documents related to the event - that of several 'unindicted co-conspirators' which could point to either FBI operatives, or 'protected' agitators working with the agency.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ading-trump-supporters-enter-capitol-surfaces

And while there doesn't appear to be any direct public evidence that a federal agency was involved in the J6 'insurrection' - a shocking video posted by Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) has people wondering exactly who this man is telling Trump supporters to 'go into the Capitol' before the January 6 protest.

I'll say it," says the unidentified man, "We need to go in to the capitol," to which one man starts a "FED!" chant. The same man can be seen approaching other groups of Trump supporters with the same suggestion.

According to Massie, he presented the video to Attorney General Merrick Garland, who refused to acknowledge "how many agents or assets of the federal government were present in the crowd on Jan 5th and 6th and how many entered the Capitol."

 

[Spartanmack]

crime rates are lower for illegal immigrants than they are for native born Americans according to the Cato Institute. I guess you're buying into the Trump dog whistle that Mexicans are coming here to rape and murder. If we were serious about immigration we'd make every employer E-verify, make it illegal to rent housing to undocumented immigrants, but then were would all of the cheap labor come from? who would mow the fairway or clean the bathrooms in the hotel?

As for the drug trade, why are they bringing drugs over here? does it have anything to do with US demand for illicit drugs?

It's a very good political tactic to rally the reverse racism crowd, mexicans make a good villain for you guys. The guys with white skin can't be dangerous.

that's not true. And Trump didn't say all Mexicans are rapists but i'm not relying on Trump - the border has been an issue for decades and has only gotten worse since the Obama administration.

You can mow your own fairways as far as I'm concerned and the fact that we have an addiction problem doesn't excuse murderous drug cartels of their crimes. That's just more dumb deflection. This has nothing to do with race. I'm all for legal immigration - people should come here through legal means and be vetted to ensure they share American values and aren't just coming over to be a burden on our social welfare program or undercutting American laborers regardless of their race or religion. But I'm not the least bit surprised you play that card - it's all your team has and it's a clear indication you've lost the argument. I'm sure you feel a great sense of pride watching a Mexican mow your fairways or an African American carry your bag for 18 holes or a Polish woman cleaning the bathroom at whatever hotel you're patronizing for below market wages.

 

[byco42]

I'm just citing an example of statewide mail in ballots with a miniscule amount of fraud.

You also suggested that other states adopt a similar model. I say that every state may not as objective as Colorado appears to be.

 

[Sbee]

Four months ago, Revolver News' Darren Beattie reported that the FBI was possibly involved in organizing the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

Their evidence? A glaring omission in charging documents related to the event - that of several 'unindicted co-conspirators' which could point to either FBI operatives, or 'protected' agitators working with the agency.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ading-trump-supporters-enter-capitol-surfaces

And while there doesn't appear to be any direct public evidence that a federal agency was involved in the J6 'insurrection' - a shocking video posted by Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) has people wondering exactly who this man is telling Trump supporters to 'go into the Capitol' before the January 6 protest.

I'll say it," says the unidentified man, "We need to go in to the capitol," to which one man starts a "FED!" chant. The same man can be seen approaching other groups of Trump supporters with the same suggestion.

According to Massie, he presented the video to Attorney General Merrick Garland, who refused to acknowledge "how many agents or assets of the federal government were present in the crowd on Jan 5th and 6th and how many entered the Capitol."

Smoking gun from Revolver news!! Mic Drop!

 

[Sbee]

You also suggested that other states adopt a similar model. I say that every state may not as objective as Colorado appears to be.

I suggested that to Tigermud in opposition of his mandates of 100% in person voting with strict voter ID requirements. Mail in voting can work and does work with minimal incidents of fraud.

 

[Michchamp]

Smoking gun from Revolver news!! Mic Drop!

you haven't really been posting on the politics board a lot lately, but he only posts news from sites like that. InfoWars is actually "mainstream" compared to some of the really wild stuff he posts.

 

[Sbee]

that's not true. And Trump didn't say all Mexicans are rapists but i'm not relying on Trump - the border has been an issue for decades and has only gotten worse since the Obama administration.

You can mow your own fairways as far as I'm concerned and the fact that we have an addiction problem doesn't excuse murderous drug cartels of their crimes. That's just more dumb deflection. This has nothing to do with race. I'm all for legal immigration - people should come here through legal means and be vetted to ensure they share American values and aren't just coming over to be a burden on our social welfare program or undercutting American laborers regardless of their race or religion. But I'm not the least bit surprised you play that card - it's all your team has and it's a clear indication you've lost the argument. I'm sure you feel a great sense of pride watching a Mexican mow your fairways or an African American carry your bag for 18 holes or a Polish woman cleaning the bathroom at whatever hotel you're patronizing for below market wages.

It's not true? Anything to back that up besides some anecdote? There are plenty of studies that prove otherwise, in general, undocumented workers are half as likely to be arrested than native born Americans. The crime argument just doesn't hold water.

To lay the border problems at the feet of Biden or Obama is foolish. Both parties love cheap labor, but the GOP loves their boogey men. Fox always highlights the border, undocumented workers, caravans, etc to scare old white people into watching more Fox News. If either party were serious, they'd fine employers and landlords. The migrant workers are just meeting the demand. Nobody is serious about reforming this, but it's a good rallying cry on the right.

As for the drug trade, US demand is the problem. I'm not excusing the acts of Mexican cartels but all of that is the result of the fortunes to be made meeting the American demand for illegal drugs. Hell, that's a main contributor to the problem of migrants coming from South American due to the lawlessness in their home countries.

Fight the demand side for illegal labor and illegal drugs. It's convenient for the right to blame the supply, but Americans are offering jobs to migrants and fortunes to drug runners.

 

[Sbee]

you haven't really been posting on the politics board a lot lately, but he only posts news from sites like that. InfoWars is actually "mainstream" compared to some of the really wild stuff he posts.

So you're saying that arguing with him that the election outcome was legitimate is a really good use of my time?

 

[byco42]

I suggested that to Tigermud in opposition of his mandates of 100% in person voting with strict voter ID requirements. Mail in voting can work and does work with minimal incidents of fraud.

Whether it works or not is beside the point. When voting is relegated to the relevance of entering a sweepstakes, it is minimized to a sundry activity rather than a sacred trust and obligation that should require a measure of inconvenience and commitment.

 

[tigermud]

Smoking gun from Revolver news!! Mic Drop!

is that what it said? I don't recall reading that it said that at all. Reading comprehension issues?

 

[tigermud]

I suggested that to Tigermud in opposition of his mandates of 100% in person voting with strict voter ID requirements. Mail in voting can work and does work with minimal incidents of fraud.

never said 100% in person either, exaggerate much?

 

[Spartanmack]

Smoking gun from Revolver news!! Mic Drop!

Isn't "if you can't refute the message, attack the messenger" one of your favorites from when you used to post here?

 

[Sbee]

Whether it works or not is beside the point. When voting is relegated to the relevance of entering a sweepstakes, it is minimized to a sundry activity rather than a sacred trust and obligation that should require a measure of inconvenience and commitment.

That's insanity. It should require inconvenience and commitment?

Just come out and say you want to shrink the electorate to those who can afford a car and insurance and can spare a few hours on one particular day of the year.