Election Aftermath

[Sbee]

is that what it said? I don't recall reading that it said that at all. Reading comprehension issues?

If it was what you said, it would have been a quote. My source is DHS and the courts, yours is a right wing blogger, who to believe????

 

[Sbee]

never said 100% in person either, exaggerate much?

Ok, tell me how you would ideally shrink the electorate to ensure the result you want.

 

[tinselwolverine]

That's insanity. It should require inconvenience and commitment?

Just come out and say you want to shrink the electorate to those who can afford a car and insurance and can spare a few hours on one particular day of the year.

How about this?

If you vote by mail, you have to send in with your ballot a video of yourself doing the ice bucket challenge?

No selfies at the Grand Canyon or workout videos on a railroad track - doesn?t have to be that much of an inconvenience or commitment.

 

[byco42]

That's insanity. It should require inconvenience and commitment?

You left out out the intentional word of ?measure?. Voting should be a public event, in person and the paper ballot should be completed by hand and submitted into a common container. Make the General Election Day a holiday. Offer a five-day window.

Just come out and say you want to shrink the electorate to those who can afford a car and insurance and can spare a few hours on one particular day of the year.

It?s a federal law that people are allotted time to vote without penalty. I have no intent in shrinking the electorate. This measure prohibits no one from voting. It absolutely minimizes the chance of tampering and fraud. But, it?s a moot point. But never an insane one.

 

[Michchamp]

You left out out the intentional word of ?measure?. Voting should be a public event, in person and the paper ballot should be completed by hand and submitted into a common container. Make the General Election Day a holiday. Offer a five-day window.



It?s a federal law that people are allotted time to vote without penalty. I have no intent in shrinking the electorate. This measure prohibits no one from voting. It absolutely minimizes the chance of tampering and fraud. But, it?s a moot point. But never an insane one.

Sure, but do the employers have to pay them for that? Poor people & hourly workers shouldn't have to choose between earning money and voting.

I mean, in theory voting does something. not as much as we pretend, but it's
something.

 

[tomdalton22]

Sure, but do the employers have to pay them for that? Poor people & hourly workers shouldn't have to choose between earning money and voting.

I mean, in theory voting does something. not as much as we pretend, but it's
something.

In my area they have a lot of in-person options. They have early voting that begins on Oct 5 and includes the Sat, Sunday, & Monday before election Tuesday. Election day the polls are open between 6:30PM-7:30PM

Even poor people should be able to find time to vote without missing any work.

 

[byco42]

Sure, but do the employers have to pay them for that? Poor people & hourly workers shouldn't have to choose between earning money and voting.

I stand corrected; it?s a state-by-state issue.

Link

And I agree that people should not be penalized by voting by not being paid. With the National Holiday provision and an expanded-day time frame, that would minimize this challenge.

 

[Sbee]

You left out out the intentional word of ?measure?. Voting should be a public event, in person and the paper ballot should be completed by hand and submitted into a common container. Make the General Election Day a holiday. Offer a five-day window.



It?s a federal law that people are allotted time to vote without penalty. I have no intent in shrinking the electorate. This measure prohibits no one from voting. It absolutely minimizes the chance of tampering and fraud. But, it?s a moot point. But never an insane one.

Making it inconvenient does shrink the electorate. I'd say offer early voting for a week or more and give the option of a mail in ballot. Do everything possible to ensure as high of a percentage of the population casts their vote. There is no evidence of rampant voter fraud by mail, or at least no more than in person voting (which is minimal at best).

 

[byco42]

Making it inconvenient does shrink the electorate. I'd say offer early voting for a week or more and give the option of a mail in ballot. Do everything possible to ensure as high of a percentage of the population casts their vote. There is no evidence of rampant voter fraud by mail, or at least no more than in person voting (which is minimal at best).

My core point is not getting across. So I?ll amend my statement from ?a measure of inconvenience? to ?a measure of sacrifice.? And leave it there.

 

[tigermud]

My core point is not getting across. So I?ll amend my statement from ?a measure of inconvenience? to ?a measure of sacrifice.? And leave it there.

Oh it?s an inconvenience now to ask people help ensure election integrity by voting in person if they aren?t out of town or disabled now I guess. I mean it?s just the entire country at stake every 2- 4 years wouldn?t want to inconvenience anyone god forbid

 

[Sbee]

My core point is not getting across. So I?ll amend my statement from ?a measure of inconvenience? to ?a measure of sacrifice.? And leave it there.

The point is getting across, I just disagree with the measure of sacrifice. My core point is that we should make voting as easy as possible while keeping it secure. Arizona and Colorado have shown that's possible.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Hmm...where's my discrimination thread? Are there studies on how long white people wait in lines at the polls vs. others?

 

[byco42]

The point is getting across, I just disagree with the measure of sacrifice. My core point is that we should make voting as easy as possible while keeping it secure. Arizona and Colorado have shown that's possible.

My final opinion and statement on this matter.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Yup. Double blind peer reviewed journal.
https://www.stephenpettigrew.com/articles/pettigrew-2017-psq.pdf

 

[Michchamp]

Hmm...where's my discrimination thread? Are there studies on how long white people wait in lines at the polls vs. others?

any differences can only be due to coincidence, and you're a racist for suggesting otherwise.

and if you point out the history of slavery, Jim Crow laws, and institutional discrimination in this country that only ended in our parents' lifetimes (and then only legally and overtly)... you're just dumb. and stupid. or a stupid dummy.

spartabmack taught me all that.

 

[Gulo Blue]

My final opinion and statement on this matter.

I didn't even like it when you said it back then.

Life isn't fair and some people struggle while others don't. Those that are struggling for reasons that are not their own fault, or because they give of themselves to the point where they live like a sparrow (which we, of course, are entirely unable to judge as a practical matter) should be first in line to have their voices heard. But the more obstacles you put in everyone's way, the more likely that they won't be able to exercise their right. While those that are fortunate through chance, or worse, and may even have a motive for maintaining unfairness are less likely to be impacted. For me, this basic principle of fairness outweighs any problem cause by this theoretical frivolous voter idea.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Making it inconvenient does shrink the electorate. I'd say offer early voting for a week or more and give the option of a mail in ballot. Do everything possible to ensure as high of a percentage of the population casts their vote. There is no evidence of rampant voter fraud by mail, or at least no more than in person voting (which is minimal at best).

So what if it does? If a person doesn?t think their vote isn?t worth a little effort, they don?t have to vote.

That said, the very racist, Jim Crowe Georgia and Texas laws provide for everything you?re suggesting. Voting by mail isn?t quite as easy as it was during the Covid election, but so what? It never was before. They seem to be making voting by mail the way it was before Covid.

 

[Michchamp]

tomdalton taught me that differences between the races explain everything. like black people are more likely to get racially profiled and pulled over by cops because they're more likely to commit crimes!

So black people probably wait in line to vote longer than white people because they like waiting in lines!

And when states close polling places primarily in African American neighborhoods, it's because black people asked them to, not because they're discouraging their votes. Probably. right?

 

[Gulo Blue]

So what if it does?

Because we know it is done with research in hand pointing to what hurdles will shrink which part of the electorate.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Because we know it is done with research in hand pointing to what hurdles will shrink which part of the electorate.

I?d like to see that research.