Election Aftermath

[Gulo Blue]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hofeller

Files on the hard drives showed that he played a key part in the decision of the Trump administration to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census, a decision that was challenged in the federal courts in the case Department of Commerce v. New York. Hofeller had conducted a study in 2015 which found that adding such a question would make it possible to draw district boundaries that "would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites."

 

[Gulo Blue]

I?d like to see that research.

I was already working on it!

 

[Gulo Blue]

Here's the study: https://www.commoncause.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2015-Hofeller-Study.pdf

 

[Spartanmack]

It's not true? Anything to back that up besides some anecdote? There are plenty of studies that prove otherwise, in general, undocumented workers are half as likely to be arrested than native born Americans. The crime argument just doesn't hold water.

That's utter nonsense propogated by open borders fools and bought into by low information rubes. It's refuted by plenty of studies like this one. If it was true then why are illegal immigrants over represented in prisons by a factor of 3x? And that?s not counting those locked up for being her illegally.

To lay the border problems at the feet of Biden or Obama is foolish. Both parties love cheap labor, but the GOP loves their boogey men. Fox always highlights the border, undocumented workers, caravans, etc to scare old white people into watching more Fox News. If either party were serious, they'd fine employers and landlords. The migrant workers are just meeting the demand. Nobody is serious about reforming this, but it's a good rallying cry on the right.

I'm not laying the border problems at the feet of Biden and Obama but it's naive to say they haven't gotten worse under both and more naive to say it's not by design. Both completely abdicated their duty to secure the border - that's undeniable.

As for the drug trade, US demand is the problem. I'm not excusing the acts of Mexican cartels but all of that is the result of the fortunes to be made meeting the American demand for illegal drugs. Hell, that's a main contributor to the problem of migrants coming from South American due to the lawlessness in their home countries.

Fight the demand side for illegal labor and illegal drugs. It's convenient for the right to blame the supply, but Americans are offering jobs to migrants and fortunes to drug runners.

US demand is a problem but it's not the only problem. You need to address both sides of the drug trade and the immigration problem. It's convenient for the left to blame the people they hate the most (Americans) and give a free pass to murderous drug cartels and free loading illegal immigrants but I bet you make a lot of progress on both problems immediately by securing the border then concentrating efforts on the demand side which will undoubtedly take longer to solve.

 

[tigermud]

Here's the study: https://www.commoncause.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2015-Hofeller-Study.pdf

You should watch dope sick and see how over rated studies can be

 

[Gulo Blue]

You should watch dope sick and see how over rated studies can be

I feel pretty good about my understanding of the problem with studies and the likelihood of misleading studies even when there aren't problems. My mind is changed with new information and different studies are read with different amounts of suspicion. Been doing this a long time.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Here's the study: https://www.commoncause.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2015-Hofeller-Study.pdf

Wait, what?


This is supposed to be research ?pointing to what hurdles will shrink which part of the electorate??

Because it has nothing to do with that. It?s about gerrymandering (Bob?s favorite topic) after each decennial census.

After a massive and ponderous multi page wall of text, it comes to the startling conclusion that ?when Democrat libtards redraw district lines, they do it to their own advantage, and when Republitards redraw the lines, they do the same thing.?

Really?

Ya don?t say?

 

[tigermud]

Wait, what?


This is supposed to be research ?pointing to what hurdles will shrink which part of the electorate??

Because it has nothing to do with that. It?s about gerrymandering (Bob?s favorite topic) after each decennial census.

After a massive and ponderous multi page wall of text, it comes to the startling conclusion that ?when Democrat libtards redraw district lines, they do it to their own advantage, and when Republitards redraw the lines, they do the same thing.?

Really?

Ya don?t say?

Who would have thought. Studies reveal everything is political

 

[tinselwolverine]

Who would have thought. Studies reveal everything is political

Really?

Ya don?t say?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Wait, what?


This is supposed to be research ?pointing to what hurdles will shrink which part of the electorate??

Because it has nothing to do with that. It?s about gerrymandering (Bob?s favorite topic) after each decennial census.

After a massive and ponderous multi page wall of text, it comes to the startling conclusion that ?when Democrat libtards redraw district lines, they do it to their own advantage, and when Republitards redraw the lines, they do the same thing.?

Really?

Ya don?t say?

You don't think gerrymandering is a part of how far people have to go to vote or how long they wait in line?

I mean, I posted 2 things. One shows intent and methods. The other shows results. Is it so hard to connect the two?

 

[tinselwolverine]

You don't think gerrymandering is a part of how far people have to go to vote or how long they wait in line?

I mean, I posted 2 things. One shows intent and methods. The other shows results. Is it so hard to connect the two?

I only saw one thing - the thing from Common Cause. No it didn?t show anything about how far people would have to go to vote or how long people would have to wait in line; or not that I read.

It didn?t really say anything specifically about results or methods, except, again, ?When Democrats draw the line, they draw the line to their advantage, and when Republicans draw the line, they also draw the line to their advantage.?

Which brings us back to ?ya don?t say??

EDIT: Also, bringing in the subject of gerrymandering when the discussion heretofore had nothing to do with gerrymandering is what I would call, kind of moving the goalpost.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I only saw one thing - the thing from Common Cause. No it didn?t show anything about how far people would have to go to vote or how long people would have to wait in line; or not that I read.

Then let me draw your attention to post 1114

http://www.detroitsportsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1024296&postcount=1114

 

[tinselwolverine]

Then let me draw your attention to post 1114

http://www.detroitsportsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1024296&postcount=1114

Okay cool, got it.

A giant wall of text about racial discrimination in an election the black guy won.

Got it.

 

[Spartanmack]

Okay cool, got it.

A giant wall of text about racial discrimination in an election the black guy won.

Got it.

Everything is racist- it couldn?t possibly have anything to do with population density or mismanaged precincts run by 100% Democrats in precincts where 90% plus people vote Democrat or anything like that - it?s racist voter suppression.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Okay cool, got it.

A giant wall of text about racial discrimination in an election the black guy won.

Got it.

You didn't even look at the charts. They cover three or four elections.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You didn't even look at the charts. They cover three or four elections.

Oh.

No I didn?t.

I guess I should go back and have a look.

But Obama did win in 2012.

 

[tigermud]

I looked at the charts but wasn't able to decipher them I'm not that edumeacted in the fine art of academia studies. My unedumecated conclusion was maybe it's just a simple matter of "lowered served communities" not getting enough volunteers I mean volunteering for such things is probably an inconvenience..

In other news. Taliban Jack warns about hyper inflation coming. As does Summers but Yellen says naaw everything is fine.

I don't think the country is going to make to 2024 or maybe not even to the mid terms to try and get this turned around. It's all going to hell in a hand-basket, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[tigermud]

 

[tinselwolverine]

I looked at the charts but wasn't able to decipher them I'm not that edumeacted in the fine art of academia studies. My unedumecated conclusion was maybe it's just a simple matter of "lowered served communities" not getting enough volunteers I mean volunteering for such things is probably an inconvenience..

In other news. Taliban Jack warns about hyper inflation coming. As does Summers but Yellen says naaw everything is fine.

I don't think the country is going to make to 2024 or maybe not even to the mid terms to try and get this turned around. It's all going to hell in a hand-basket, I hope I'm wrong.

Visual representations of data are also not the best teaching tools for me. I also looked at the charts and graphs and had very little comprehension of what they meant.

When I have to learn from charts and graphs, I should have this guy with me to explain what?s going on:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oP5kZFI7dHg

 

[tomdalton22]

Visual representations of data are also not the best teaching tools for me. I also looked at the charts and graphs and had very little comprehension of what they meant.

When I have to learn from charts and graphs, I should have this guy with me to explain what?s going on:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oP5kZFI7dHg

off topic...but I loved that show. I think it was one of your posts that got me to watch it. I might have to binge it again this winter. :tup: