Election

[byco42]

God bless same day voter registration.

No, same-day voter registration is an indication that the people who do so are disengaged from the public square. There should be a 30-day buffer between registration and voting for the first time.

The entire concept of early voting, mail-in voting, and electronic voting casts, by nature, aspersions on the entire process.

A same-day, secret paper ballot, marked by one's own hand, in the presence of neighbors and fellow constituents, on one specific day, within a specific span of hours, is the only fair, honest, ethical, and accurate way to vote.

Our present approach will ever produce this brand of confusion and consternation, and will eventually result in rendering our votes irrelevant, and detach us from the process and precious nature of voting.

Also, loved Gangs of New York, one of my favorites.

I think that the subtext of that movie is "little if nothing has changed."

 

[Michchamp]

No, same-day voter registration is an indication that the people who do so are disengaged from the public square. There should be a 30-day buffer between registration and voting for the first time.

The entire concept of early voting, mail-in voting, and electronic voting casts, by nature, casts aspersions on the entire process.

A same-day, secret paper ballot, marked by one's own hand, in the presence of neighbors and fellow constituents, on one specific day, within a specific span of hours, is the only fair, honest, ethical, and accurate way to vote.

Our present approach will ever produce this brand of confusion and consternation, and will eventually result in rendering our votes irrelevant, and detach us from the process and precious nature of voting.



I think that the subtext of that movie is "little if nothing has changed."

I think in a "democracy" there should be as few restrictions as possible placed on voting, and election day should be a national holiday to encourage as many as possible to vote.

I'd be curious to read about how many Americans over the age of 18 can't actually vote on election day because they missed some arbitrary registration deadline, or moved before the election and forgot to re-register, or some other understandable, but prohibited mistake.

But we don't actually want any of these things in America, and never did. Many of the Founding Fathers were reluctant to make this a democracy, (or for the pedants, a constitutional republic, or whatever), and looked to limit the rights of the people every chance they could. The number of senators, for example...

 

[byco42]

I think in a "democracy" there should be as few restrictions as possible placed on voting, and election day should be a national holiday to encourage as many as possible to vote.

A 30-day buffer between registration and voting is not a "restriction." I support the premise of Election Day voting being a national holiday every two years.

I'd be curious to read about how many Americans over the age of 18 can't actually vote on election day because they missed some arbitrary registration deadline, or moved before the election and forgot to re-register, or some other understandable, but prohibited mistake.

Is our "republic" so inconsequential its voters fail to learn the rudiments of their local and national voting procedures? Vigilance is required for people to vote, and it should never, ever be "convenient," but always "accessible."

But we don't actually want any of these things in America, and never did. Many of the Founding Fathers were reluctant to make this a democracy, (or for the pedants, a constitutional republic, or whatever), and looked to limit the rights of the people every chance they could. The number of senators, for example...

There is a substantial difference between a democracy and a constitutionally limited republic, which was designed to limit the rights of government. Now if you want to ascribe the structure of our government as being an inherent limitation to the rights of the people, I'll counter with the 14th and 19th amendments. If you want to say that the gears turn slowly and then slip drastically out of built-up tension, that's accurate. But the entire point initially was to establish a society of people who could govern themselves. Because we are not perfect, neither will our government be perfect.

 

[Thumb]

There should be a 30-day buffer between registration and voting for the first time.

For what purpose?

 

[byco42]

For what purpose?

To give people pause and time to consider how and why they are voting and for what. To illustrate that voting is separate, substantial, and different from cashing out a coupon at a grocery store. To remind us all that voting is a civic duty and not a right.

The "right" to vote is a fallacy. It's our obligation.

 

[tomdalton22]

For what purpose?

verification

 

[tomdalton22]

To give people pause and time to consider how and why they are voting and for what. To illustrate that voting is separate, substantial, and different from cashing out a coupon at a grocery store. To remind us all that voting is a civic duty and not a right.

The "right" to vote is a fallacy. It's our obligation.

that's not a good reason. most registered voters don't do this.

 

[Thumb]

To give people pause and time to consider how and why they are voting and for what. To illustrate that voting is separate, substantial, and different from cashing out a coupon at a grocery store. To remind us all that voting is a civic duty and not a right.

The "right" to vote is a fallacy. It's our obligation.

So, no real reason at all then.

 

[byco42]

So, no real reason at all then.

To those who fail to register that voting is a sacred trust, I suppose not.

 

[byco42]

that's not a good reason. most registered voters don't do this.

That's not the fault of the concept of voting, and no excuse to render the gap between registration and voting to less than five minutes.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I didn't realize that Colorado, a red state, Biden got one electorate vote there.. the difference maybe.

 

[byco42]

It's November 5 and, because of this mail-in, early, and mechanized voting with the requisite technology, there is still no president-elect.

And neither side can say with certitude that the election results are verifiable or objective. Which, then, must result in contention for the loser, and illegitimacy for the winner.

 

[byco42]

Typically the candidates will trust the numbers and concede. Donny isn't going to do that. He's a huge asshole. IMO it will end up in the court system before it's all said and done.

The point is that these numbers can't ever be trusted. I'm absolutely certain that Biden will also contest the results, if he loses, and he should, (as should Trump), to illustrate that this method of voting will always be unreliable and easily engineered (which I think is the actual point and purpose).

 

[Mitchrapp]

Isn't it over once Nevada is done?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think we should do what we did as kids, have a good old fashion do-over. Or have Trump President 1-month and then Biden for the next. Maybe add Pelosi just for laughs.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Also, loved Gangs of New York, one of my favorites.

That?s the only movie Daniel Day Lewis was in that he DIDN?T win Oscar for.

 

[byco42]

That?s the only movie Daniel Day Lewis was in that he DIDN?T win Oscar for.

That's because Cameron Diaz was so brilliant, as usual.

 

[tinselwolverine]

That's because Cameron Diaz was so brilliant, as usual.

Yeah, I don?t even remember her from the movie.

That was pretty early in her career.

She was nominated Golden Globe.

I guess somebody liked her in the movie.

 

[byco42]

Yeah, I don?t even remember her from the movie.

That was pretty early in her career.

She was nominated Golden Globe.

I guess somebody liked her in the movie.

Yeah, we've spent too much time on this. Back to the topic at hand:

Daniel Day Lewis would make a pretty good Abe Lincoln. But not James Madison.

 

[Michchamp]

Yeah, we've spent too much time on this. Back to the topic at hand:

Daniel Day Lewis would make a pretty good Abe Lincoln. But not James Madison.

James Madison was tiny.

Danny DeVito would make a pretty good James Madison.