Ferguson, MO

[Spartanmack]

now a lot of these "activists" such as BLM want to get rid of police forces. That sounds like a great idea. Imagine the looting that would go on if there were no police forces. :cheers:

Yeah, they also want to dismantle “white capitalism” whatever that is and yet the left is elevating their platform as if it is legitimate.

Also, as tragic as these deaths are, we need to keep in mind police nationwide have killed 9 unarmed people this year. That’s about the murder toll for a 3 day weekend in Chicago. Cops clearly aren’t perfect but they aren’t the problem.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yeah, the piece I read didn?t handicap their chances of success, it mainly just outlined what the author thought were their best and likely defense claims. But it did say Kueng didn?t say anything at the time he could point to in his defense. I didn?t watch the video and haven?t read anything else - it?s quite possible the piece I read is wrong about that unless Kueng is another Clayton Bigsby.

This story is going to have a LOT of moving parts as things unfold.

 

[Spartanmack]

According to what I have read, one of the rookie officers was only on his 3rd shift ever, and the other said to Chauvin that "we can't do this".

Understandable how in that situation the rookies are basically powerless to change the situation at the time, or even if charges are dropped against those two now, that they would never be welcome as police officers by their peers again.

It's a lose-lose situation, because they should not be convicted for something they really had no chance of controlling or changing, but I doubt prosecutors will drop charges against them for fear of what will happen if all 4 are not convicted.

I don’t see a huge difference for the 2 rookies. Kueng’s defense is virtually the same as Lanes whether he verbalized his objections or not. He’s under the direction and supervision of the Chauvin who is also evaluating his performance. Kueng probably heard Chauvin say “No” to Lane both times he asked if they should roll Floyd over. Both were in a nearly impossible position - if they did intervene and force Chauvin to relent their actions wouldn’t be credited for saving Floyd’s life. Unless they intervened and Floyd still died, they’d probably be penalized for their insubordination.

Still, an acquittal will lead to more riots because to the mob, justice means nothing less than four murder convictions. Presumably, in that case I’ll be reading posts on here from Hughes listing the acquittal(s) as inciting violence. More accurately the incitement will be any comments Trump makes on the acquittals.

From here is where I, Tinsel, meant to quote and accidentally edited instead. Please feel free to call me a dumbass
Probably.

Not sure on the second point. Shit is still real fresh and raw right now. The legal proceedings will be in months.

We here already have an amount of empathy for the total shit position the rookies found themselves in - across ideological lines actually.

So...as time goes on...maybe a plea deal for the rookies, or even the other three, will be palatable enough for the mob, or the “mob.”

EDIT: Damn, I screwed up - I meant to quote SM rather than edit the post. Sorry to all- Tinsel

 

[Thumb]

So responding to violence is inciting violence. You?re trying too hard.

And to be clear, I?m not defending the use of troops but to say this is what is inciting violence 10 days into this thing is nuts.

I think you missed the point where he said "no name tags". Basically, it means they will be largely anonymous, and if someone does get out of line and go too far, their identity would be hidden.

 

[mhughes0021]

The same day trump quoted that it was a great day for floyd (he's dead) he tetweeted the quote from candace owens "The fact that (Floyd) has been held up as a martyr sickens me." Not inciting violence at all...

 

[tinselwolverine]

The same day trump quoted that it was a great day for floyd (he's dead) he tetweeted the quote from candace owens "The fact that (Floyd) has been held up as a martyr sickens me." Not inciting violence at all...

Well, I heard the soundbite, and to be fair, he said it was a great day for George Floyd assuming that George was looking down from Heaven, and if it ever comes to pass that one day I?m looking down from Heaven...yeah, that?ll be a great day.

Candace Owens is a black chick - not entirely unfuckable, actually - I think Trump was just retweeting a black person to be a unifier.

 

[tomdalton22]

Yeah, they also want to dismantle ?white capitalism? whatever that is and yet the left is elevating their platform as if it is legitimate.

Also, as tragic as these deaths are, we need to keep in mind police nationwide have killed 9 unarmed people this year. That?s about the murder toll for a 3 day weekend in Chicago. Cops clearly aren?t perfect but they aren?t the problem.

I think you are underestimating the ability of the people of Chicago.

last weekend there were 85 shootings and 24 deaths...and that wasn't even a 3 day weekend.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6...tings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1

 

[Spartanmack]

I think you missed the point where he said "no name tags". Basically, it means they will be largely anonymous, and if someone does get out of line and go too far, their identity would be hidden.

If that's the part he's talking about, it would be more accurate to say that's basically sanctioning violence from officers - entirely different from inciting violence from the crowds.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don’t see a huge difference for the 2 rookies. Kueng’s defense is virtually the same as Lanes whether he verbalized his objections or not. He’s under the direction and supervision of the Chauvin who is also evaluating his performance. Kueng probably heard Chauvin say “No” to Lane both times he asked if they should roll Floyd over. Both were in a nearly impossible position - if they did intervene and force Chauvin to relent their actions wouldn’t be credited for saving Floyd’s life. Unless they intervened and Floyd still died, they’d probably be penalized for their insubordination.

Still, an acquittal will lead to more riots because to the mob, justice means nothing less than four murder convictions. Presumably, in that case I’ll be reading posts on here from Hughes listing the acquittal(s) as inciting violence. More accurately the incitement will be any comments Trump makes on the acquittals.

From here is where I, Tinsel, meant to quote and accidentally edited instead. Please feel free to call me a dumbass
Probably.

Not sure on the second point. Shit is still real fresh and raw right now. The legal proceedings will be in months.

We here already have an amount of empathy for the total shit position the rookies found themselves in - across ideological lines actually.

So...as time goes on...maybe a plea deal for the rookies, or even the other three, will be palatable enough for the mob, or the “mob.”

EDIT: Damn, I screwed up - I meant to quote SM rather than edit the post. Sorry to all- Tinsel

Ha - I was reading this post today thinking 'I remember writing this stuff, but I don't recall bolding anything...I've had plenty of misspellings, grammar errors, botched "cut and paste", etc, etc but I don't know how I could have pulled this off.'

 

[Spartanmack]

The same day trump quoted that it was a great day for floyd (he's dead) he tetweeted the quote from candace owens "The fact that (Floyd) has been held up as a martyr sickens me." Not inciting violence at all...

go read up on the first amendment and what is considered incitement. Calling these examples of inciting violence is a text book example of the soft bigotry of low expectations.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think you are underestimating the ability of the people of Chicago.

last weekend there were 85 shootings and 24 deaths...and that wasn't even a 3 day weekend.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6...tings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1

yeah, I guess I wrote that in a pre-pandemic mindset where we didn't have so much pent up anxiety and rage from shelter in place combined with the arrival of summer hot weather and humidity or maybe it was just the soft bigotry of low expectations...

 

[mhughes0021]

yeah, I guess I wrote that in a pre-pandemic mindset where we didn't have so much pent up anxiety and rage from shelter in place combined with the arrival of summer hot weather and humidity or maybe it was just the soft bigotry of low expectations...

I think at this point youve proven that you are quite ignorant on the topic at hand Hey atleast youre not putting "ALL LIVES MATTER" into each one of your posts. Thats a start...

 

[Spartanmack]

I think at this point youve proven that you are quite ignorant on the topic at hand Hey atleast youre not putting "ALL LIVES MATTER" into each one of your posts. Thats a start...

One of us is an ignorant buffoon, but it's not me. I wonder if you can figure out who it is.


I guess it's just a lot easier to ignore statistics and facts and accuse the other person of being ignorant while you post a bunch of quotes and say they incite violence.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Ha - I was reading this post today thinking 'I remember writing this stuff, but I don't recall bolding anything...I've had plenty of misspellings, grammar errors, botched "cut and paste", etc, etc but I don't know how I could have pulled this off.'

It does take a very particular set of skills...

 

[byco42]

Impeachment did not work.
Coronavirus did not work.
So, now, they are fomenting class and social discord and violence under the guise of “equality” when the elite that is playing us wants us all to be equally destitute and dependent on them.

Trump is not going along with this diabolical agenda afoot, led by the likes of Gates, and people whose names we will never know, who are exploiting an ethnic group to accomplish something antithetical to life itself, with the help of pawns known and unknown. You can spot them easily if you look for them.

Meanwhile, many of the posters here are looking through the binoculars with the bigger lenses stuck to their faces, as they want us to, and we infight and dwell on the minutia, which is not to be confused with the details.

When the techno-crazy-evile-taters can ACTUALLY guide us about like lemmings to the cliff, in the words of Jack Reacher “remember...you wanted this.”

Here’s a man with more sand than the Sahara. He knows what is at stake. Link .

 

[tinselwolverine]

Impeachment did not work.
Coronavirus did not work.
So, now, they are fomenting class and social discord and violence under the guise of “equality” when the elite that is playing us wants us all to be equally destitute and dependent on them.

Trump is not going along with this diabolical agenda afoot, led by the likes of Gates, and people whose names we will never know, who are exploiting an ethnic group to accomplish something antithetical to life itself, with the help of pawns known and unknown. You can spot them easily if you look for them.

Meanwhile, many of the posters here are looking through the binoculars with the bigger lenses stuck to their faces, as they want us to, and we infight and dwell on the minutia, which is not to be confused with the details.

When the techno-crazy-evile-taters can ACTUALLY guide us about like lemmings to the cliff, ]
in the words of Jack Reacher “remember...you wanted this.”

Here’s a man with more sand than the Sahara. He knows what is at stake. Link .

No clip?

Really?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hu1MtT_S3bc

 

[tomdalton22]

Here?s a man with more sand than the Sahara. He knows what is at stake. Link .

that guy sounds like a whack job.

 

[tinselwolverine]

that guy sounds like a whack job.

Ulpiana isn?t even a real place.

It?s like being Archbishop of Troy, or Atlantis, or Munchkinland.

 

[byco42]

that guy sounds like a whack job.

He?s the guy who brought down McCarrick and is battling the diabolical forces within the Church.

I?m aware it?s a lot of chemo for the uninitiated, but I?m not concerned about that.

 

[sggatecl]

Meanwhile, many of the posters here are looking through the binoculars with the bigger lenses stuck to their faces, as they want us to, and we infight and dwell on the minutia, which is not to be confused with the details.

That's rich coming from a single issue voter such as yourself.