Ferguson, MO

[Spartanmack]

Isn't there though?

Virtually all of the difference in encounters with police by race is accounted for by higher crime rates. Conviction rates and sentencing rates are also a function of rates of violent crimes and recidivism. These graphs are not proof of systemic racism in America in 2020. Blaming Jim Crowe, redlining and slavery for the problems certain minority populations face in America today means you have to believe nothing has changed since the Civil Rights movement and laws passed in the 60s and that on it's face is crazy.

I'll disagree on this one. People shouldn't have their 1st amendment rights infringed on because others are being assholes. I use the same argument to defend the 2nd amendment, it'd be pretty hypocritical of me to not have the same attitude or opinion concerning people protesting properly.

If I'm protesting properly/peacefully and some fuck head throws a rock inciting police to swoop in with batons, rubber bullets, and pepper spray a blazing...that's not my fault and I shouldn't be 'swept up' with them. And before you or someone else says it doesn't escalate that quickly, one of the bigger police crackdowns in Seattle started over a fuckin' umbrella being yanked away from a protester. It doesn't take much.

I think the standard is too high - if police are being assaulted and having rocks and frozen water bottles hurled at them and they give an order to disperse, it's asinine for a peaceful protestor to expect that they can stay and continue protesting peacefully and then expect a cop to differentiate between them and the people hurling projectiles at them or for the cops not to act and just get pelted by those projectiles just because not everyone in a particular crowd is violent. The peaceful protestors need to call out the violent ones, not the cops.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The peaceful protestors need to call out the violent ones, not the cops.

They do.

 

[tomdalton22]

Petition to change Columbus, OH to Flavortown.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/21/us/guy-fieri-flavortown-columbus-ohio-petition-trnd/index.html

 

[Thumb]

Petition to change Columbus, OH to Flavortown.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/21/us/guy-fieri-flavortown-columbus-ohio-petition-trnd/index.html

I'd sign.

If for no other reason to see the ESPN headlines about the big game between bitter rivals from Ann Arbor and Flavortown in late November.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'd sign.

If for no other reason to see the ESPN headlines about the big game between bitter rivals from Ann Arbor and Flavortown in late November.

I like him and I like his show but as a proud son of Ann Arbor I am compelled to nominate Flavorofasstown, instead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNS1OFUQbls

 

[byco42]

Petition to change Columbus, OH to Flavortown.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/21/us/guy-fieri-flavortown-columbus-ohio-petition-trnd/index.html

Columbus, GA, is probably next.

St. Louis is also on the "list."

All the major cities in CA to follow. Same with AZ, NM and TX.

Nashville middle school to end celebration of Geo. Washington.

Washington, the state? Not for long. Colorado? uh-uh. Louisiana? Probably be renamed "Mardiana" ? Virginia and the Carolinas better look for new names, too. Same with Georgia and Alabama. Especially Alabama.

Of course, this is all spontaneous and organic.

 

[sggatecl]

Virtually all of the difference in encounters with police by race is accounted for by higher crime rates. Conviction rates and sentencing rates are also a function of rates of violent crimes and recidivism. These graphs are not proof of systemic racism in America in 2020.

I specifically highlighted 'systemic racism' and not 'that police are targeting innocent black people for murder'. I don't have data to back that up and I won't cherry pick or manipulate numbers, even if I do believe there are some really shitty departments out there.

Concerning the data I did include, I don't know how it's not evidence of some level of systemic racial problem in America. All numbers point to a huge disparity. If you don't think there is a problem, I'd be curious to hear what your theory is. The options are pretty limited (Democrats keeping black people down with welfare, racial stereotypes, etc) and I'm fairly certain I'd disagree. But I also like surprises.

Blaming Jim Crowe, redlining and slavery for the problems certain minority populations face in America today means you have to believe nothing has changed since the Civil Rights movement and laws passed in the 60s and that on it's face is crazy.

What? No, it doesn't mean that at all. Progress has been made but I would argue it's crazy to think all was fixed because of some laws passed in the 60s. And it's pretty hard to enforce those laws when the agency in charge of overseeing the issue is continuously underfunded and under staffed.

I think the standard is too high - if police are being assaulted and having rocks and frozen water bottles hurled at them and they give an order to disperse, it's asinine for a peaceful protestor to expect that they can stay and continue protesting peacefully and then expect a cop to differentiate between them and the people hurling projectiles at them or for the cops not to act and just get pelted by those projectiles just because not everyone in a particular crowd is violent. The peaceful protestors need to call out the violent ones, not the cops.

And I think you severely underestimate how quickly things can go from peaceful to shit storm. I shouldn't have to give up my 1st amendment freedoms because most American cops aren't trained well enough for disputes beyond traffic stops and domestic disputes (and one could argue they're not even trained well enough for that).

I don't ask that gun owners give up their rights because it's asinine for a hobby to take precedent over kids getting shot at schools.

I don't ask that reporters give up their rights for reporting fake, bogus, or erroneous news because it's asinine and dangerous to public discourse.

It's asinine to think some rights are worth fighting over and others we should just tuck tail and go home because it's inconvenient for cops.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Columbus, GA, is probably next.

St. Louis is also on the "list."

All the major cities in CA to follow. Same with AZ, NM and TX.

Nashville middle school to end celebration of Geo. Washington.

Washington, the state? Not for long. Colorado? uh-uh. Louisiana? Probably be renamed "Mardiana" ? Virginia and the Carolinas better look for new names, too. Same with Georgia and Alabama. Especially Alabama.

Of course, this is all spontaneous and organic.

The Jews are in on this nuttiness in St. Louis? Holy fuckin? shit.

For Los Angeles, I nominate ?Letsallgetcokedupandfucktown.?

A tribute to 1980.

Back when all we did was get coked up and fuck.

 

[Spartanmack]

They do.

Downplaying isn?t calling it out.

 

[sggatecl]

For Los Angeles, I nominate ?Letsallgetcokedupandfucktown.?

A tribute to 1980.

Back when all we did was get coked up and fuck.

A bipartisan effort if I've ever seen one. :cheers:

 

[byco42]

The Jews are in on this nuttiness in St. Louis? Holy fuckin? shit.

For Los Angeles, I nominate ?Letsallgetcokedupandfucktown.?

A tribute to 1980.

Back when all we did was get coked up and fuck.

It gets nuttier: The Jews and the Muslims are united in this campaign. What's next: Giants and Dodger Fans lobby for a Giant statue of Jackie Robinson, and a Dodger statue of Juan Marichal?

If that occurs, it's all over.

 

[tinselwolverine]

They do.

Right.

But get out of there first, and call them out later, like Kimberlin Torteledo did, in post #958.

Don?t hang around and go running back and forth between the rioters and the police, like that one dumb fuck who kept getting shot by rubber bullet and would get out of way to catch his breath, then would go running back into the fray to get shot up some more.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nByqIEphTAE

 

[tinselwolverine]

It gets nuttier: The Jews and the Muslims are united in this campaign. What's next: Giants and Dodger Fans lobby for a Giant statue of Jackie Robinson, and a Dodger statue of Juan Marichal?

If that occurs, it's all over.

Would the Marichal Dodger statue also be giant?

Also I expect nutty shit from Muslims.

That probably sounds a little bigoted.

Oh well.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

Isn't there though?

You see that's not really the evidence you wanted to dig up.

What you provided is data on income disparity.

He was talking about evidence for racist policing.

I'm sure if you include Sikhs, Asians, and Jews in that chart you will see higher median income than 'whites'. Why? Because certain groups value higher education.


Now, if you are showing data that blacks are consistently getting paid less with the following criteria:
Same occupation, same industry, same years of experience, and same city.

Here's why it matters.

Occupation: Does an engineer have an equivalent salary to someone flipping burgers? No.
Industry: Continuing with engineer example. Does semi-conductor industry pay the same as automotive? No.
Years of experience: Auto industry engineers in Detroit area typically start with between 45-65k per year. Largely depends on company (if contract or direct), specialty etc. However, are 10-20 years engineers routinely make above the 100k mark. Is it fair to expect someone with 10 to 20 years of experience to a new grad? Again a firm no.

City (area): Even within same industry, difference area for example Detroit compared to San Francisco or LA your Detroit will skew on the lower salary. It's like cost of living is a thing or something

It is the same criteria that disproves the gender wage gap.



Kinda reminds me of that Sports Illustrated article from a while back about NFL, NBA, and MLB players being in bad finances within a couple years of retirement.

It turns out if you give financially 'illiterate' people lots of money, they will make poor financial choices.

Perfect example are lottery winners. Typically it is the poor that play the lottery and than blow through the money within a couple years.


In today's world you can learn almost anything at home. Resources like the Khan Academy can teach you the basics gradeschool/high school curriculum online for free.


Just like you can be forced to go to a school. But that doesn't mean you have to learn anything.


Let's pretend you are a good student but you don't 'afford' secondary education. Most schools have a large array of scholarships and bursaries you can qualify for. There are also the great student loans that many people are stuck with.

Keep in mind different schools have different tuition rates.

 

[byco42]

Would the Marichal Dodger statue also be giant?

Also I expect nutty shit from Muslims.

That probably sounds a little bigoted.

Oh well.

You got it.

Also, imagine Wayne Gretzky in EDM wearing a Kings' sweater. It would get toppled.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

So athelete makes 40 milllion in a 12 year career. But than goes bankrupt within 2 years of retirement.

Is that racist society screwing him over or bad financial choices?

The answer, racism. Nobody should be held accountable for their own actions.

I finally get it guys, racism is why people keep doing stupid shit and feel not accountable for their actions. USA #1


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/mon...ercent of NBA players,just a handful of years.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

You got it.

Also, imagine Wayne Gretzky in EDM wearing a Kings' sweater. It would get toppled.

The ironic part is that the WHA's creation is what led to increased players salaries in the NHL.

After WHA folds, the Edmonton Oilers join the NHL and become a dynasty within the decade.

The reason why the Oilers started shipping off their stars like Gretzky was.... you guessed it, increased players salaries which put a financial strain on the team that they couldn't handle.

 

[byco42]

The ironic part is that the WHA's creation is what led to increased players salaries in the NHL.

After WHA folds, the Edmonton Oilers join the NHL and become a dynasty within the decade.

The reason why the Oilers started shipping off their stars like Gretzky was.... you guessed it, increased players salaries which put a financial strain on the team that they couldn't handle.

So the WHA is responsible for all this chaos in the US? Or, more specifically, Bobby Hull? Thanks!

 

[tinselwolverine]

So the WHA is responsible for all this chaos in the US? Or, more specifically, Bobby Hull? Thanks!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

 

[sggatecl]

I'm sure if you include Sikhs, Asians, and Jews in that chart you will see higher median income than 'whites'. Why? Because certain groups value higher education.

Are you implying or suggesting that black people don't want to be educated?

Now, if you are showing data that blacks are consistently getting paid less with the following criteria:
Same occupation, same industry, same years of experience, and same city.

Because of all the figures I have (and haven't) mentioned this is near impossible. You're not tackling the root of the problem. Poor kid comes from poor family, he is going to need more student loans than the kid who's family isn't poor, thus making it more difficult to complete college.

Even though the government desegregated schools 66 years ago, about half of students in the US still attend either predominantly white or non-white schools.

"For every student enrolled, the average nonwhite school district receives $2,226 less than a white school district".

"Poor-white school districts receive about $150 less per student than the national average ? an injustice all to itself. Yet they are still receiving nearly $1,500 more than poor-nonwhite school districts."

These kids are starting in a hole. To expect them to be competing for the same positions is unrealistic. Because...it's systemic. Some will break out, most will not. Which leads to another bit of data that isn't surprising at all:

In today's world you can learn almost anything at home. Resources like the Khan Academy can teach you the basics gradeschool/high school curriculum online for free.

As far as resources online? 100% agree. Tons of free resources, more than I realized before this Covid shit ruined the school year. I was able to find my kids all kinds of learning tools (Prodigy, Xtra Math, Raz, etc).

The problem is America still doesn't treat internet as an essential utility due to telecommunications lobbyists having politicians (on both sides of the aisle) so it's not attainable for poor families in many cases. They're priced out or it's simply not available.