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Ferguson, MO

Are you implying or suggesting that black people don't want to be educated?

"For every student enrolled, the average nonwhite school district receives $2,226 less than a white school district".

"Poor-white school districts receive about $150 less per student than the national average ? an injustice all to itself. Yet they are still receiving nearly $1,500 more than poor-nonwhite school districts."

These kids are starting in a hole. To expect them to be competing for the same positions is unrealistic. Because...it's systemic. Some will break out, most will not. Which leads to another bit of data that isn't surprising at all:

My guess is it's because school levies aren't getting passed by voters. In our area, almost every school levy gets passed in the suburbs, but in the large city that the suburbs surround, the levies almost never pass.

So, maybe black people don't want their kids to get educated...or don't realize that they are voting against their kid's education?
 
I specifically highlighted 'systemic racism' and not 'that police are targeting innocent black people for murder'. I don't have data to back that up and I won't cherry pick or manipulate numbers, even if I do believe there are some really shitty departments out there.

No, you highlighted economic disparities, not systemic racism.

Concerning the data I did include, I don't know how it's not evidence of some level of systemic racial problem in America. All numbers point to a huge disparity. If you don't think there is a problem, I'd be curious to hear what your theory is. The options are pretty limited (Democrats keeping black people down with welfare, racial stereotypes, etc) and I'm fairly certain I'd disagree. But I also like surprises.

I do see a problem, but I disagree with you on the root cause. The problem is with the welfare system and the demise of the 2 parent family. I suppose it could be considered systemic racism on the part of the Democrats who have convinced black Americans to exchange opportunity, prosperity and personal responsibility for government handouts.

What? No, it doesn't mean that at all. Progress has been made but I would argue it's crazy to think all was fixed because of some laws passed in the 60s. And it's pretty hard to enforce those laws when the agency in charge of overseeing the issue is continuously underfunded and under staffed.

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It does mean that - the claim is America, the most free and equal country in the history of the world is horribly racist at its core. It’s absurd. The major barriers have been removed - there will always be racism and bias, but none of it is institutionalized. It's not codified in law or policy, it's not in a party platform anywhere and it’s not some worst kept secret either. Racism is not systemic or institutionalized. Again, racism exists and it always will. Bias exists and it's harder to eradicate than racism, given that it's largely unconscious. Efforts should be made to limit or overcome both. But the truth is, there are three things you have to do to not be poor in America - graduate high school, get a job and don’t have kids until you’ve done the first two and gotten married.

And I think you severely underestimate how quickly things can go from peaceful to shit storm. I shouldn't have to give up my 1st amendment freedoms because most American cops aren't trained well enough for disputes beyond traffic stops and domestic disputes (and one could argue they're not even trained well enough for that).

I don't ask that gun owners give up their rights because it's asinine for a hobby to take precedent over kids getting shot at schools.

I don't ask that reporters give up their rights for reporting fake, bogus, or erroneous news because it's asinine and dangerous to public discourse.

It's asinine to think some rights are worth fighting over and others we should just tuck tail and go home because it's inconvenient for cops.

I don't think I'm underestimating anything - when things go from peaceful to shit storm "in the blink of an eye" I don't think you can expect cops to make the differentiation between who is peaceful and who isn't. Cops are people too, and their safety matters just as much as any peaceful protestor's safety. When the shit hits the fan and the peaceful protestors stubbornly and selfishly stand their ground, they put cops safety at risk. If they get bumped with a shield or some of the tear gas gets in their eyes too, tough shit peaceful protestor, it's not the cops' fault.
 
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We had a very long thread on this topic that yielded one paper proposing that cultural choices could have led to financial disparities. It was a math model illustrating what it might look like if it was the case and there was no follow up study presenting any data to support it.


That against many papers reporting evidence of discrimination.
 
My guess is it's because school levies aren't getting passed by voters. In our area, almost every school levy gets passed in the suburbs, but in the large city that the suburbs surround, the levies almost never pass.

So, maybe black people don't want their kids to get educated...or don't realize that they are voting against their kid's education?

That could very well be the case. I live in an area where if an education bill/millage/etc didn't get passed, hell would freeze over. I haven't lived in a big city since I was 20 and I certainly didn't pay much attention to where my taxes went then.

Do you know if most levies don't pass? Or is it more education specific? I'm wondering if it's just as simple as "NO NEW TAXES!!" regardless of what it's for. Which when you're broke, I can see the immediate appeal of such an opinion, short sighted as it may be.
 
That could very well be the case. I live in an area where if an education bill/millage/etc didn't get passed, hell would freeze over. I haven't lived in a big city since I was 20 and I certainly didn't pay much attention to where my taxes went then.

Do you know if most levies don't pass? Or is it more education specific? I'm wondering if it's just as simple as "NO NEW TAXES!!" regardless of what it's for. Which when you're broke, I can see the immediate appeal of such an opinion, short sighted as it may be.

It?s not all about money. From an article published a few years back and posted on DSF, Detroit public schools ranked 15th out of over 200 Michigan school districts in spending per student but they were among the worst performing.
 
I don't think I'm underestimating anything - when things go from peaceful to shit storm "in the blink of an eye" I don't think you can expect cops to make the differentiation between who is peaceful and who isn't. Cops are people too, and their safety matters just as much as any peaceful protestor's safety. When the shit hits the fan and the peaceful protestors stubbornly and selfishly stand their ground, they put cops safety at risk. If they get bumped with a shield or some of the tear gas gets in their eyes too, tough shit peaceful protestor, it's not the cops' fault.

You?re right - anyone who isn?t brain dead should be able to know when it?s time to jet.

In the video in #958, Kristen Tortelado describes being at a protest that devolved into a riot - she knew when was time to get out of there.

I MYSELF was going through the area where the that news video made - I could tell there was going to be a riot there later, just by way shit was shaping up.

You don?t have to be a rocket scientist to not get shot with a rubber bullet.
 
Are you implying or suggesting that black people don't want to be educated?

What I am implying is, in general, that community does not value education.

I can give you a book, but you reading it are two separate things.


Because of all the figures I have (and haven't) mentioned this is near impossible. You're not tackling the root of the problem. Poor kid comes from poor family, he is going to need more student loans than the kid who's family isn't poor, thus making it more difficult to complete college.
That depends on several things.

Such as what school they are attending, if their parents are paying for their education, and where they are living during their studies. Are they working while studying.




There are Universities that charge 50k a year, there are others that charge 12k a year. BTW, for STEM fields like engineering it doesn't matter what school you go to. Due to accreditation for that degree there is only going to be a minor difference.


Based on grades a student can get a portion or entirety of their tuition covered. Not to mention other scholarships/bursaries that are available.

Actually, many of these scholarships/bursaries/awards are ONLY eligible to low income students.





Even though the government desegregated schools 66 years ago, about half of students in the US still attend either predominantly white or non-white schools.

"For every student enrolled, the average nonwhite school district receives $2,226 less than a white school district".

"Poor-white school districts receive about $150 less per student than the national average ? an injustice all to itself. Yet they are still receiving nearly $1,500 more than poor-nonwhite school districts."

These kids are starting in a hole. To expect them to be competing for the same positions is unrealistic. Because...it's systemic. Some will break out, most will not. Which leads to another bit of data that isn't surprising at all:

Yes. When applying for a job or doing an interview a company has never asked me what is my economic background. Perhaps because I am a white immigrant... but somehow I doubt it.


As far as resources online? 100% agree. Tons of free resources, more than I realized before this Covid shit ruined the school year. I was able to find my kids all kinds of learning tools (Prodigy, Xtra Math, Raz, etc).

The problem is America still doesn't treat internet as an essential utility due to telecommunications lobbyists having politicians (on both sides of the aisle) so it's not attainable for poor families in many cases. They're priced out or it's simply not available.
Is lack of access to internet really the reason students drop out of high school?

Are public libraries not a thing anymore?


But again, with all the tools available for students to learn, does not mean they will use them.

Well, what is more fun?
Studying or playing video games?
Studying or watching Netflix/youtube?

Studying takes a certain amount of dedication, discipline, and effort.

To a degree, parents set the initial standard and pressure on their kids to succeed, but its up to the student to actually put in work.



But isn't funny that certain group which are stereotyped into pushing their kids hard to school are the ones who tend to do better in school and in turn financially?
 
BL’s only matter if killed by a cop, otherwise they don’t matter as much
 
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You'd think that the rioters ripping down random statues would have the foresight to send them to the nearest recycling center.
 
BL?s only matter if killed by a cop, otherwise they don?t matter as much
This point (which isn't just you - it's made all the time all over the place) won't have any relevance until the criminals you are implicitly referring to are state sanctioned with labor unions that shield them from accountability. Until then, this point is a bad point because it misses the point.
 
You'd think that the rioters ripping down random statues would have the foresight to send them to the nearest recycling center.

Stanisław Lec had a saying about this sort of thing.

When tearing down statues, save the pedestals, they always come in handy.
 
Stanisław Lec had a saying about this sort of thing.

When tearing down statues, save the pedestals, they always come in handy.

When they come to vandalize any church in my diocese, I will be there to protect it, no matter the cost.
 
When they come to vandalize any church in my diocese, I will be there to protect it, no matter the cost.

I'm not too sure they would be too upset here. The bigger the damage the better, especially if they can write it off and pocket the money.


Plenty of churches here have closed and plenty more will close in the years to come.


There have also been some embesselment scandals within the past decade.
 
This point (which isn't just you - it's made all the time all over the place) won't have any relevance until the criminals you are implicitly referring to are state sanctioned with labor unions that shield them from accountability. Until then, this point is a bad point because it misses the point.


nobody disagrees chauvin killed that guy and deserves to fry. But shouldn't ALL black lives matter?
 
I'm not too sure they would be too upset here. The bigger the damage the better, especially if they can write it off and pocket the money.


Plenty of churches here have closed and plenty more will close in the years to come.


There have also been some embesselment scandals within the past decade.

I said "churches" in lower case intentionally, to illustrate that my commitment is not limited to the Catholic ones, though they will be prime targets, IMO.

Were scandal of this gravity justification for leveling structures, certainly no banks would be safe, not to mention any government, no matter the jurisdiction.
 
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