Ferguson, MO

[Gulo Blue]

based on their platform and what they preach, it sure doesn't seem like they think blacks killing blacks is a problem.

This is such a weird and popular argument.

 

[tigermud]

Sure. No big ask there. Please solve the issue of crime before you're allowed to protest other things.

well we certainly won't solve it with a de fund movement, you think crime is a problem now, with the de fund movement it's going to get 100 times worse.

https://www.infowars.com/seattle-po...ep-dying-in-the-black-lives-matter-chop-zone/


CNN cover this at all? these two didn't matter.

BL's only matter if killed by a white cop.

 

[Spartanmack]

Was anybody given immunity for this shooting?


You protest to get change from the government. Where did this idea that you should therefore also protest to get change from criminals come from?

is immunity from murder an actual issue for police that is impacting poor and minority communities? Was George Floyd's killer given immunity? Is that why all these cities are burning?

 

[tigermud]

Everybody should just protest unhealthy eating. We shouldn't be allowed to complain about anything else until that's solved.

why not, this is why I don't believe health care is a right. It's not my responsibility to help pay for your unhealthy eating habits.

 

[tomdalton22]

This is such a weird and popular argument.

I think it's popular because it's just common sense.

It'd be like the CDC spending all of their time and resources on some obscure disease that kills 1 person a week and ignoring COVID 19 that is killing over 1000 per week.

 

[Gulo Blue]

is immunity from murder an actual issue for police that is impacting poor and minority communities? Was George Floyd's killer given immunity? Is that why all these cities are burning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think it's popular because it's just common sense.

It'd be like the CDC spending all of their time and resources on some obscure disease that kills 1 person a week and ignoring COVID 19 that is killing over 1000 per week.

This isn't a bad analogy. Except BLM is not the CDC. If a person, or a group of people were trying to raise awareness about some issue that was killing 1 person each week, and people told them "no, don't protest that, go fight Covid", I would think that's equally weird. Go fight it yourself if it means that much to you and let people protest what they want to protest.

 

[tigermud]

The awareness has been raised, things are changing as a result, the problem is that isn't good enough, it will never be enough. They want to completely tear down American and rebuild it in their authoritarian Marxist image. This is not acceptable.

 

[Gulo Blue]

We should start an 'Only Certain Issues Matter' movement that just goes around and complains about how other protesters are protesting wrong. Maybe that's the most important issue.

 

[tomdalton22]

This isn't a bad analogy. Except BLM is not the CDC. If a person, or a group of people were trying to raise awareness about some issue that was killing 1 person each week, and people told them "no, don't protest that, go fight Covid", I would think that's equally weird. Go fight it yourself if it means that much to you and let people protest what they want to protest.

But BLM isn't a protest, it's a "movement".

As far as me going to protest black on black crime...it doesn't mean enough to me to protest. Actually, there isn't much out there that could get me to physically protest.

 

[Gulo Blue]

But BLM isn't a protest, it's a "movement".

What's the significance of that distinction?

 

[tinselwolverine]

As far as me going to protest black on black crime...it doesn't mean enough to me to protest. Actually, there isn't much out there that could get me to physically protest.

Also you?d get mugged and beat up.

 

[Spartanmack]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity

I figured it wasn't but thanks for confirming.

 

[tigermud]

Woke lefty now supporting Trump I think.


https://youtu.be/V04lUc2z2H0

 

[Gulo Blue]

I figured it wasn't but thanks for confirming.

Well, at least I led the horse to water.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Woke lefty now supporting Trump I think.


https://youtu.be/V04lUc2z2H0

He?s done a lot of local media here in LA for about three decades now.

Don?t know how ?woke? he is, don?t know how left he is and he didn?t vote for anyone for president last election.

 

[Spartanmack]

Well, at least I led the horse to water.

Not really, I'm already aware of qualified immunity. If you read the piece you sent me, it's pretty clear from the first paragraph that murder by police would be excluded from qualified immunity. But even if I wasn't aware of it, it doesn't answer my question which is if murder by police is a real problem that poor and minority communities are facing? And the answer is no. That's not to say it never happens - it does, but it's extremely rare and it doesn't rise to anywhere near the level of these claims that are leading people to burn down cities. Also, it doesn’t disproportionately impact minorities.

Qualified immunity is actually necessary because it protects good cops. It shouldn't be a target of police reform. If you get rid of it, cops will rightly be afraid to carry out their jobs because literally every criminal will sue them. If you want reform that will help make police departments better, start with making it harder for unions to protect bad cops.

 

[Polish-Hammer]

based on their platform and what they preach, it sure doesn't seem like they think blacks killing blacks is a problem.

By that logic, BLM is more of the supporters trying to convince themselves that BLM.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Not really, I'm already aware of qualified immunity. If you read the piece you sent me, it's pretty clear from the first paragraph that murder by police would be excluded from qualified immunity. But even if I wasn't aware of it, it doesn't answer my question which is if murder by police is a real problem that poor and minority communities are facing? And the answer is no. That's not to say it never happens - it does, but it's extremely rare and it doesn't rise to anywhere near the level of these claims that are leading people to burn down cities.

Qualified immunity is actually necessary because it protects good cops. It shouldn't be a target of police reform. If you get rid of it, cops will rightly be afraid to carry out their jobs because literally every criminal will sue them. If you want reform that will help make police departments better, start with making it harder for unions to protect bad cops.

In the context of why BLM isn't protesting it, it's not like qualified immunity, which is something BLM is protesting. There are other things BLM is protesting that's also not like this. If you read the link, specifically the "Challenges to qualified immunity" section and don't see the connection to BLM, I probably won't be able to explain it.

 

[Spartanmack]

In the context of why BLM isn't protesting it, it's not like qualified immunity, which is something BLM is protesting. There are other things BLM is protesting that's also not like this. If you read the link, specifically the "Challenges to qualified immunity" section and don't see the connection to BLM, I probably won't be able to explain it.

you definitely won't be able to explain to me or anyone else, how that makes murder by police a problem that is hurting minority communities because it's not a problem impacting minority communities, let alone disproportionately. Nevermind the fact that it has nothing to do with qualified immunity.