Ferguson, MO

[Gulo Blue]

you definitely won't be able to explain to me or anyone else, how that makes murder by police a problem that is hurting minority communities because it's not a problem impacting minority communities, let alone disproportionately. Nevermind the fact that it has nothing to do with qualified immunity.

The word 'murder' doesn't even appear on that link.

 

[tigermud]

He?s done a lot of local media here in LA for about three decades now.

Don?t know how ?woke? he is, don?t know how left he is and he didn?t vote for anyone for president last election.

Him and Candace Owens would go at it on fox few months back, I think he agrees with Candace now, the crazy dems woke him up

 

[tinselwolverine]

Him and Candace Owens would go at it on fox few months back, I think he agrees with Candace now, the crazy dems woke him up

I?m busy now. I?ll do a video search for him and Candace Owens on Fox and see what pulls up.

 

[Spartanmack]

The word 'murder' doesn't even appear on that link.

It doesn?t have to, read the first paragraph regarding exceptions. Murder would certainly be one of those.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I?m busy now. I?ll do a video search for him and Candace Owens on Fox and see what pulls up.

Did a web search.

Found a number of ?debates? on the Laura Ingraham show.

Thought I was watching Fred and Lamontequisha Sanford in an episode of Sanford and Daughter, except both characters were delivering their ridiculous yet entertaining lines on top of each order.

The great Norman Lear never wrote no shit like that.

 

[Gulo Blue]

It doesn?t have to, read the first paragraph regarding exceptions. Murder would certainly be one of those.

So what? What does that have to do with this conversation about why BLM isn't protesting this thing that doesn't involve qualified immunity or the police?

 

[Spartanmack]

So what? What does that have to do with this conversation about why BLM isn't protesting this thing that doesn't involve qualified immunity or the police?

what exactly to you think this is about? you asked if the murdered teen's shooter was given immunity implying the protests are about police getting immunity for killing black people and that didn't happen in this case so maybe that's why nobody was protesting. Here's the quote:

Was anybody given immunity for this shooting?

You protest to get change from the government. Where did this idea that you should therefore also protest to get change from criminals come from?

I asked if police murdering black people and getting immunity for it was a problem in poor and minority communities (knowing full well that it is not) and you responded by posting a widipedia article about qualified immunity that clearly says murderous cops wouldn't be protected by qualified immunity.

If you think this conversation is about something else, be more clear. If it is, if you asked the wrong question and completely missed the point of my answer. If you're trying to say all the issues front and center to these protests (white supremacy, institutional racism, police brutality, defunding police) is all a sideshow and this is about qualified immunity, you're out of your mind. I'll also add that qualified immunity is good, police need that to do their jobs - there are other ways to reform police without making them spend their salaries to have lawyers on retainer.

 

[Gulo Blue]

what exactly to you think this is about? you asked if the murdered teen's shooter was given immunity implying the protests are about police getting immunity for killing black people and that didn't happen in this case so maybe that's why nobody was protesting. Here's the quote:



I asked if police murdering black people and getting immunity for it was a problem in poor and minority communities (knowing full well that it is not) and you responded by posting a widipedia article about qualified immunity that clearly says murderous cops wouldn't be protected by qualified immunity.

If you think this conversation is about something else, be more clear. If it is, if you asked the wrong question and completely missed the point of my answer. If you're trying to say all the issues front and center to these protests (white supremacy, institutional racism, police brutality, defunding police) is all a sideshow and this is about qualified immunity, you're out of your mind. I'll also add that qualified immunity is good, police need that to do their jobs - there are other ways to reform police without making them spend their salaries to have lawyers on retainer.

You jumped into an ongoing conversation injecting the police murder issue, not me.

 

[Spartanmack]

Was anybody given immunity for this shooting?


You protest to get change from the government. Where did this idea that you should therefore also protest to get change from criminals come from?

I don't know about protesting directly to criminals, but it's definitely not true that you only protest to get change from the government. boycotts and sit-ins are a forms of protest that bring about change - probably more effectively than motivating legislators to act. Lunch counter sit-ins and boycotts more to desegregate society and sooner than the civil rights act did. When people got hit in their wallets and pocket books, economic desegregation happened quickly - the civil rights act desegregated schools and public services long after private industry started to.

Also, law enforcement is a government function - if people are being murdered by civilians at alarming rates many times greater than they're killed by cops, who do you protest for better law enforcement? The answer is the government.

 

[Spartanmack]

You jumped into an ongoing conversation injecting the police murder issue, not me.

you implied the difference was civilian murderers don't get immunity but cops do - in a public forum.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't know about protesting directly to criminals, but it's definitely not true that you only protest to get change from the government. boycotts and sit-ins are a form of protest that brings about change - probably more effectively than motivating legislators to act. Lunch counter sit-ins and boycotts did way more desegregation than the civil rights act did. When people got hit in their wallets and pocket books, economic desegregation happened quickly - the civil rights act desegregated schools and public services long after private industry did.

I didn't say that either.

 

[Spartanmack]

I didn't say that either.

not exactly but close. You said you protest to get change from the government - that's not close to being true. Protests take many forms and can have many different targets. Then you tried to make it seem like Tiger was calling for protesting against criminals when clearly he's talking about protesting to get government to do something about an issue for more detrimental to poor and minority communities than what people are currently protesting.

 

[Gulo Blue]

you implied the difference was civilian murderers don't get immunity but cops do - in a public forum.

They don't get qualified immunity or government sanction or anything to protest the government over. I guess maybe a person could protest defense lawyers if they were crazy, but the point was this isn't an action of the local government so why should the same standard to protest be expected?


You projected that into something it's not. You're still doing it. I never said, thought, or implied that cops get immunity from murder. That's your thing.

 

[Gulo Blue]

not exactly but close.

Not remotely. Asking where the idea came from that people should protest criminals is not the same thing as saying that only governments should be protested. Businesses are an obvious example of something that is not criminal or government, but can be reasonable to protest.


You had to be aware of that - it's right there in your reply.

 

[byco42]

Apparently The Crips ousted the soy-boy Antifa “gang” out of Long Beach. It left hastily.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Apparently The Crips ousted the soy-boy Antifa “gang” out of Long Beach. It left hastily.

Yeah, I heard some kind of audio clip of that on the radio.

EDIT: Here you go.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nPvQbdQ5ss

That’s a great UnderArmor commercial.

That’s you Byco, when they come to loot churches in Raleigh-Durham.

 

[byco42]

Yeah, I heard some kind of audio clip of that on the radio.

EDIT: Here you go.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nPvQbdQ5ss

That’s a great UnderArmor commercial.

That’s you Byco, when they come to loot churches in Raleigh-Durham.

Cowards cower easily, I have learned, especially immature kids with no concept of manhood.
And the stalwart mayor of Seattle is clearing the CHOP of its element as well. Apparently it took a house visit from some of its ilk to convince her that their intentions are not honorable.

 

[Gulo Blue]

not exactly but close. You said you protest to get change from the government - that's not close to being true. Protests take many forms and can have many different targets. Then you tried to make it seem like Tiger was calling for protesting against criminals when clearly he's talking about protesting to get government to do something about an issue for more detrimental to poor and minority communities than what people are currently protesting.

I don't think your edit was there when I replied.

When you say

"clearly he's talking about protesting to get government to do something about an issue for more detrimental to poor and minority communities than what people are currently protesting"

you're talking about fast food right? The real killer?

Anyway, the distinction between something the government does that people are protesting -vs- this idea that they should be protesting something else the government isn't doing enough of would be the answer to that question.

 

[Spartanmack]

They don't get qualified immunity or government sanction or anything to protest the government over. I guess maybe a person could protest defense lawyers if they were crazy, but the point was this isn't an action of the local government so why should the same standard to protest be expected?


You projected that into something it's not. You're still doing it. I never said, thought, or implied that cops get immunity from murder. That's your thing.

Nonsense. If the government isn't doing anything about the outrageous murder rates in Chicago or if the government is reducing police presence and restricting police actions and crime rates are skyrocketing like they are in New York they have plenty to protest the government over. Instead they are protesting AGAINST police because they have a warped sense of what the real problems are that their communities are facing.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't think your edit was there when I replied.

When you say

"clearly he's talking about protesting to get government to do something about an issue for more detrimental to poor and minority communities than what people are currently protesting"

you're talking about fast food right? The real killer?

Anyway, the distinction between something the government does that people are protesting -vs- this idea that they should be protesting something else the government isn't doing enough of would be the answer to that question.

no, I'm talking about violent crime that is claiming lives by the thousands, like he is.