Finally! A list of BLM demands!

[Monster]

Fuck. Does anybody here actually support these clowns anymore? Seriously?

Here's the site where the actual list is:

https://policy.m4bl.org/

Now, I'll tell you right now that there are 6 demands, each with different bulletin points within the demand. If you keep scrolling down, you'll find their "evidence" for the claims they make.

I will admit there are several things on there that I would support simply because it's needed, but most of these are unrealistic, highly exaggerated, and demanding change where change (on a government level) isn't needed.

Most of the demands read like a hostage negotiation. There's even a call to free cop killers who have already been convicted and sentenced. Assata Shakur is even mentioned and the demand is to remove her from the terror list. Why is it that Black groups always have a love for her? - You can find all of this in the "Political Power" demand.

I know I get some shit from other Liberals on here for my stance against BLM, but if you actually read these demands, you'll see why I hate them so much. Any group that would advocate for the release of cop killers is not a group I trust. Actually, that would apply to any killers.

 

[sggatecl]

I supported the original thought process and idea of BLM. However, sometime after the Furgeson, MO incident they seemed to go off the rails a bit. Some of them at least. With the loose structure within the group, some of them are bat shit crazy and others are reasonable. It's too bad they don't have more structure, their inability to reign in the crazies hurts their cause.

 

[Monster]

I supported the original thought process and idea of BLM. However, sometime after the Furgeson, MO incident they seemed to go off the rails a bit. Some of them at least. With the loose structure within the group, some of them are bat shit crazy and others are reasonable. It's too bad they don't have more structure, their inability to reign in the crazies hurts their cause.

That was my original complaint as well, but these demands were the result of them organizing and putting pen to paper. To me, they sound more like demands from the black panthers than a group of rational black men and women working for social change.

 

[Sbee]

the demands are unreasonable and they hurt the premise of the movement. The real issue here is our drug policies and how they make poor, black areas easy pickings for quick convictions in the prison system. That creates the atmosphere that leads to this hostility.

 

[biggunsbob]

I agree with all of you and these demands really do not promote any type changethat us really needed unfortunately.

 

[Michchamp]

I agree with some things... clearly private prisons should go away, the system of court fines and costs that creates real hardship for poor people who commit victimless crimes that everyone breaks on occasion (parking zones, speeding, impossible to know local ordinances, etc) should be reformed, capital punishment should be abolished.

mass surveillance of ALL communities should end, but good luck with that...

reparations? in some form that's targeted to poor African Americans and provides educational incentives, healthcare, etc... not just cash... maybe.

we'd ALL benefit from their proposals under investment/divestment and economic justice

the appointment of emergency managers and privatising schools & services should end (especially because the bloodsuckers mainly foist these things on poor black communities). that shouldnt be controversial.

net neutrality? publicly funded election campaigns?

what is so controversial about their proposals again? I agree with pretty much everything they said, and most reasonable people I know do too.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Are we waging a separate war against black LGBTQ/Q?

Or are all the black LGBTQ/Q that we're waging war against just part of the general war against LGBTQ/Q that we're waging?

 

[Spartanmack]

Are we waging a separate war against black LGBTQ/Q?

Or are all the black LGBTQ/Q that we're waging war against just part of the general war against LGBTQ/Q that we're waging?

The war on women, if we're still waging that - same question, please.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The war on women, if we're still waging that - same question, please.

Well the demands specifically identified a war against black LGBTQ/Q, but it just lumped black women in our general war against women.

 

[Spartanmack]

Well the demands specifically identified a war against black LGBTQ/Q, but it just lumped black women in our general war against women.

That's fine for the BLM folks - their site, their demands but I still need to know if we're waging separate wars on women and women of color. How can you win a war you don't even know how to fight properly?

 

[Gulo Blue]

That's fine for the BLM folks - their site, their demands but I still need to know if we're waging separate wars on women and women of color. How can you win a war you don't even know how to fight properly?

Depends on whether or not it's a religious war.

 

[tomdalton22]

They lost me at "demands"

 

[Spartanmack]

Depends on whether or not it's a religious war.

If it's not, it's about guns or gays - all wars involving Republicans are about the 3 Gs. Since we don't need guns to win a war with women and it shouldn't matter if the women are gay or straight, it's probably safe to say it's a religious war.

 

[Spartanmack]

Mom of one of the Pennsylvania teens arrested for shooting at cops blames black lives matter...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-02-13-34-12

She called her kid and his cousin "punks" - can't wait for turd and sbee to call her racist.

 

[Sbee]

Mom of one of the Pennsylvania teens arrested for shooting at cops blames black lives matter...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-02-13-34-12

She called her kid and his cousin "punks" - can't wait for turd and sbee to call her racist.

Calling people who attempted murder "punks?" that's a pretty tame description of them honestly.

I wonder where they are getting the message that the group is instructing people to commit murder? Is there any evidence of this? there might be some rantings of a protester here or there but are the leaders standing up at rallies and giving people these instructions? I'd be shocked.

I've maintained that we're talking about the wrong issue here, the symptom is violence between young blacks and the police. the disease is our drug laws and prison system.

 

[Spartanmack]

Calling people who attempted murder "punks?" that's a pretty tame description of them honestly.

I wonder where they are getting the message that the group is instructing people to commit murder? Is there any evidence of this? there might be some rantings of a protester here or there but are the leaders standing up at rallies and giving people these instructions? I'd be shocked.

I've maintained that we're talking about the wrong issue here, the symptom is violence between young blacks and the police. the disease is our drug laws and prison system.

no, it isn't our drug laws and prison system. Sending people to prison for committing crimes is not a great ill of our society. It's the lack of 2 parent households in poor, mostly minority communities. Poor and mostly minority communities need more, not less policing. Without it, they will never recover because no businesses will ever invest in those communities - that means no jobs, no economy. they will continue to wither until they die completely, like what's happening in much of Detroit.

 

[Sbee]

no, it isn't our drug laws and prison system. Sending people to prison for committing crimes is not a great ill of our society. It's the lack of 2 parent households in poor, mostly minority communities. Poor and mostly minority communities need more, not less policing. Without it, they will never recover because no businesses will ever invest in those communities - that means no jobs, no economy. they will continue to wither until they die completely, like what's happening in much of Detroit.

On the surface, sending people to jail for committing crimes doesn't seem like a bad thing? You don't think it's wrong that African Americans have the right to be angry that their race is disproportionately incarcerated for drug offenses when statistics show that blacks and whites use drugs are roughly the same rate?

20% of whites have tried cocaine, 10% of blacks and latinos have. Higher percentages of whites have also tried hallucinogens, marijuana, opiates, and stimulants, blacks have tried crack more than whites, but not by much but blacks are 3x more likely to be arrested for possession. I'm sure that doesn't bother you though, I mean, why would black people have a problem with the criminal justice system?


As for Detroit, the jobs leave, people don't, that's what happens. It's a cycle of poverty and crime. Don't think that factories closed in the Detroit area because employees did drugs, that was all about the promise of cheaper labor somewhere else.

 

[Sbee]

no, it isn't our drug laws and prison system. Sending people to prison for committing crimes is not a great ill of our society. It's the lack of 2 parent households in poor, mostly minority communities. Poor and mostly minority communities need more, not less policing. Without it, they will never recover because no businesses will ever invest in those communities - that means no jobs, no economy. they will continue to wither until they die completely, like what's happening in much of Detroit.

Also, don't you think that the high rate of incarceration leads to less 2 parent families? I agree about the family structure part 100%. Blacks are incarcerated at 6x the rate of whites, that means more single mothers and more kids likely to go to jail themselves, and so on and so forth

 

[Spartanmack]

On the surface, sending people to jail for committing crimes doesn't seem like a bad thing? You don't think it's wrong that African Americans have the right to be angry that their race is disproportionately incarcerated for drug offenses when statistics show that blacks and whites use drugs are roughly the same rate?

20% of whites have tried cocaine, 10% of blacks and latinos have. Higher percentages of whites have also tried hallucinogens, marijuana, opiates, and stimulants, blacks have tried crack more than whites, but not by much but blacks are 3x more likely to be arrested for possession. I'm sure that doesn't bother you though, I mean, why would black people have a problem with the criminal justice system?


As for Detroit, the jobs leave, people don't, that's what happens. It's a cycle of poverty and crime. Don't think that factories closed in the Detroit area because employees did drugs, that was all about the promise of cheaper labor somewhere else.

of course this too is pure nonsense. are you seriously trying to correlate rates of trying drugs with arrests? could you at least get some data on habitual users, dealers and people who commit violent drug related crime? do you think our prisons are full of first time offenders? how dumb are you going to get here?

minorities are not over-represented in arrests when you consider crime rates, they're represented at nearly the exact rates they should be. The same is true with convictions and differences in sentencing are explained by differences in prior criminal history. blacks account for nearly half of all murders. in new york, blacks and Latinos account for 97% of all gun crimes. posting stats about who tries drugs is meaningless. crime rates actually line up better with economic status - poor people commit more drug related and violent crime. arrest and conviction rates actually line up consistently with racial representation of poor people.

and as for Detroit, why do you think the jobs leave? let me guess - is it because of racism?

 

[Spartanmack]

Also, don't you think that the high rate of incarceration leads to less 2 parent families? I agree about the family structure part 100%. Blacks are incarcerated at 6x the rate of whites, that means more single mothers and more kids likely to go to jail themselves, and so on and so forth

I have to ask because I can't believe you're saying what it sounds like you're saying - are you blaming the criminal justice system and not criminals for the high incidence of single parent households? as a follow on, do you think in most cases, if dad wasn't in prison he'd be home helping raise the kids?