First Base

[Mitchrapp]

But you get my point? If the excuse is that Miggy hasn't been here long enough then you should have just waited 10 years. Or else I could have just looked at the Baseball Encyclopedia and determined the winner.

 

[kalinecountry]

Cabrera has only been with the team for four seasons...not sure he belongs on the team yet. Dale Alexander put up great numbers for a couple years as well. That is who Cabrera should be compared to (as a Tiger) right now.

You think Cabrera should be compared to a guy that had 3 years in Detroit with ops+ of 147, 118, 119?

I understand that you strongly believe that Greenberg should be the guy, but nonsense doesn't help your argument.

Greenberg was great, but he did play 70-80 years ago, and not everyone has a appreciation for baseball history. Plus, it's difficult to compare eras. Greenberg was the third best 1st baseman in the AL when he played, maybe that's a factor? Not that he wasn't great, but he wasn't as good as Gehrig or Foxx.

Far be it for me to admonish anyone for not having the appreciation of baseball history and Tigers history that I and some others do. It is where all the minions of stats come from and analyized/scrutinized by counting stats and sabr people.
Gehrig was one of those few that came down from the highest league to play in the majors. Foxx and Greenberg were more similar in their greatness and a shade below Lou, imo.
It is difficult to compare eras yes, pitching is revolutionized with many specialists. Players are bigger stronger faster. Jet planes instead of trains.
Night games, and a whole array of nutrition factors in.
I just look at the numbers. I don't think Cabrera is a 50 homer guy, 50 doubles+ yes, great hitter and rbi guy, and if and when he finishes this contract and/or signs another with the Tigers my thoughts on him as the best Tigers first baseman could change to yes.
But I don't think either/or is a better choice over the other. I can understand entirely why so many think it is Cabrera. Heck, Cash and Big Cecil have good reasons to be picked too, just not as many as the two of choices here.

 

[tycobb420]

Mitch[/color]]But you get my point? If the excuse is that Miggy hasn't been here long enough then you should have just waited 10 years. Or else I could have just looked at the Baseball Encyclopedia and determined the winner.

Not just that...he doesn't have the numbers or the resume either. Part of that is time served.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]But you get my point? If the excuse is that Miggy hasn't been here long enough then you should have just waited 10 years. Or else I could have just looked at the Baseball Encyclopedia and determined the winner.

Not just that...he doesn't have the numbers or the resume either. Part of that is time served.

Then to ask bluntly, why is he on the fkn list then? Why not just have Greenberg by himself?

 

[tinselwolverine]

I voted for Norm Cash. Far from the greatest, but he was the firstbaseman when I became aware of the Tigers, and my favorite everyday player as a kid. Since he was option, I voted for him.

 

[Monster]

6 seasons over 139 RBI and one with 183 RBI? I think that gives the edge to Greenberg. Never seen him play, but that alone should be enough to do it. Stick Cabrera in the DH role.

 

[Monster]

i'll say though that if Cabrera plays with the Tigers for another 8 years, he might have the advantage. i don't think we've seen the best of him yet

 

[tycobb420]

Monster [/color]]i'll say though that if Cabrera plays with the Tigers for another 8 years, he might have the advantage. i don't think we've seen the best of him yet

I don't disagree. Anything could happen.

 

[tycobb420]

I really don't have a time limit on voting...I just call it when the voting sputters out.

 

[Rebbiv]

My two cents. Greenberg played approximately 9 full seasons and dominated. He missed another approximately 4 seasons because of WWII. Greenberg spent more time in WWII than any other MLB player.

Although Cabrera is great, his seasonal numbers don't quite match up to Greenberg's.

This isn't about what ifs. It is what it is now. And as of right now, this moment, Greenberg should be walking away with this voting.

Certainly, there is a point, if Cabrera plays with DET another couple of years that this debate will be more relevant. But as of right now, based on what they have done to date, it is Greenberg.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Then answer me this damn it , why are we voting then? We all know Greenberg has better stats as of now.

 

[mikem2780]

Out of annoyance with this argument, I retract my vote for Cabrera and instead cast it for Tony Clark. Obviously the best 1B to ever put on the old english d

 

[Mitchrapp]

Hell I might as well give it to Justin Thompson.

 

[newton83]

I really wanted to vote for my hero growing up, Big Daddy Cecil Fielder, but just couldn't justify it with Cabrera and Greenberg looming large. I initially went with Cabrera but then reconsidered and thought that Greenberg has the better numbers and we can put Cabby in as DH. Though I hope there's a spot on the bench for the ol' slugger as well.

 

[cmlfactor]

Hard to believe that Cabby's about to finish his fourth full season with us already. And we still have him locked up til what is it 2018? He could have made his HOF case by then...

 

[Rebbiv]

Mitch[/color]]Then answer me this damn it , why are we voting then? We all know Greenberg has better stats as of now.

Mitch, why do you always have to be obdurate?

The poll could be just for the 20th Century and have a player just begin their career at the end of the century. Do you take into account stats from years after the turn of the century?

Obviously no Tigers fit this scenario.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]Then answer me this damn it , why are we voting then? We all know Greenberg has better stats as of now.

Mitch, why do you always have to be obdurate?

The poll could be just for the 20th Century and have a player just begin their career at the end of the century. Do you take into account stats from years after the turn of the century?

Obviously no Tigers fit this scenario.

Why do you have to be so serious. Relax. And my questioning has basically been to the ones who suggest Greenberg has to be the only choice. So why have a vote? And obdurate, really? Lol. Just call me stubborn.

 

[tycobb420]

Mitch[/color]]

Mitch, why do you always have to be obdurate?

The poll could be just for the 20th Century and have a player just begin their career at the end of the century. Do you take into account stats from years after the turn of the century?

Obviously no Tigers fit this scenario.

Why do you have to be so serious. Relax. And my questioning has basically been to the ones who suggest Greenberg has to be the only choice. So why have a vote? And obdurate, really? Lol. Just call me stubborn.

Obdurate? Someone pulled out the theosaurus.

 

[tycobb420]

18-15 with several guys getting solitary votes.