Five Reasons signing Jose Reyes Is a bad Idea

[Rebbiv]

First and foremost, Reyes does not have an OBP (aka walk rate), that even makes him a better leadoff hitter than Granderson. I doubt he even steals 40 bases ever again, let alone 30 if he were to come to DET.

The issue isn't whether he is a top 10 SS. The issue is whether his production would be worth $15-20 Mil a year. I myself believe there are better options who are much, much cheaper.

 

[tigers99888]

I would love Reyes, but you certainly have to be atleast a little concerned with his health, given how much he will demand.. With that said, if the TIgers landed him I certainly would be excited as he would be an upgrade in 2 huge spots.. IF defense, and leadoff, not to mention baserunning as well.. Him and Jackson on the basepaths could be fun to watch...

 

[tigers99888]

First and foremost, Reyes does not have an OBP (aka walk rate), that even makes him a better leadoff hitter than Granderson. I doubt he even steals 40 bases ever again, let alone 30 if he were to come to DET.

The issue isn't whether he is a top 10 SS. The issue is whether his production would be worth $15-20 Mil a year. I myself believe there are better options who are much, much cheaper.

YOu'll be shocked to see that there are a lot of leadoff hitters in the MLB that have a .300-.330 OBP which is somewhat low.. The overall level in that spot of the batting order just isn't what it was 5 or 10 years ago and you rarely see guys like a Henderson or Lofton these days.. with that said, Reyes is certainly one of the best today and his contact is amazing overall.. And I think he steals 25+ bags easily even in detroit..

 

[Mitchrapp]

First and foremost, Reyes does not have an OBP (aka walk rate), that even makes him a better leadoff hitter than Granderson. I doubt he even steals 40 bases ever again, let alone 30 if he were to come to DET.

The issue isn't whether he is a top 10 SS. The issue is whether his production would be worth $15-20 Mil a year. I myself believe there are better options who are much, much cheaper.

We don't have Granderson we have Jackson, in case you forgot.

 

[uofmpoweri]

First and foremost, Reyes does not have an OBP (aka walk rate), that even makes him a better leadoff hitter than Granderson. I doubt he even steals 40 bases ever again, let alone 30 if he were to come to DET.

The issue isn't whether he is a top 10 SS. The issue is whether his production would be worth $15-20 Mil a year. I myself believe there are better options who are much, much cheaper.

YOu'll be shocked to see that there are a lot of leadoff hitters in the MLB that have a .300-.330 OBP which is somewhat low.. The overall level in that spot of the batting order just isn't what it was 5 or 10 years ago and you rarely see guys like a Henderson or Lofton these days.. with that said, Reyes is certainly one of the best today and his contact is amazing overall.. And I think he steals 25+ bags easily even in detroit..

We should have snatched Bourne at the Trade deadline. I agree that lead off men are hard to find. That doesn't justify 20 million for Reyes. How about Beltran to bat lead off and play centerfield or even a corner OF spot. I don't think that he will command huge money, but after the Jason Werth contract who knows.

 

[tigers99888]

We should have snatched Bourne at the Trade deadline. I agree that lead off men are hard to find. .

Seems like the one thing Houston can develop is fast as shit leadoff hitters... I would have loved Bourne as well.. Beast pure leadoff hitter in the game IMO..

 

[biggunsbob]

that's why only 15-17 mill a year, if he had a track record of 155 games a year he'd be worth more. just so long his injury's ain't chronic and keep reappearing, then I think they should go after him.

Exactly. I'm not saying that I'm not worried about him staying healthy or that we should spend recklessly to get him, but I think Bob's painting a picture that isn't reality by including a season where Reyes barely played into an average compiled from a short time span.

That is not true... he has been injured his last three years... That is it.. That is all I used at the start and all i am worried about... I am not picking different years... Fact is he has been hurt three years in a row... It has to be looked at and be a concern. And it is his legs that have been hurt.. These are not fluky injuries.

 

[Rebbiv]

First and foremost, Reyes does not have an OBP (aka walk rate), that even makes him a better leadoff hitter than Granderson. I doubt he even steals 40 bases ever again, let alone 30 if he were to come to DET.

The issue isn't whether he is a top 10 SS. The issue is whether his production would be worth $15-20 Mil a year. I myself believe there are better options who are much, much cheaper.

YOu'll be shocked to see that there are a lot of leadoff hitters in the MLB that have a .300-.330 OBP which is somewhat low.. The overall level in that spot of the batting order just isn't what it was 5 or 10 years ago and you rarely see guys like a Henderson or Lofton these days.. with that said, Reyes is certainly one of the best today and his contact is amazing overall.. And I think he steals 25+ bags easily even in detroit..

I fully understand.

Last 3 years Leadoff

81.07 RC/650 .270 BAVG .335 OBP .397 SLG .732 OPS

681 AB 101 R 30 SB 10 CS

There were only 8 MLB players with at least 500 PA as leadoff hitter in 2011. Of those, half had a OBP below average. But aside from #3 and #4 hitters, #1 has the next highest OBP over the last 3 years.


Leadoff OBP

2011 = .326 OBP

2006 = .343 OBP

2001 = .331 OBP

1996 = .350 OBP

1991 = .343 OBP

1986 = .333 OBP

1981 = .330 OBP

1976 = .328 OBP

1971 = .325 OBP

1966 = .324 OBP

1961 = .327 OBP


Granderson was the best leadoff hitter DET had since Tony Phillips. When he was traded, or before, people were stating they were glad we got a "true" leadoff hitter in Jackson. Even after his first year, people were praising the arrival of Austin. Now, most of those same people are wishing for someone else now.

 

[tigers99888]

Yeah, it just seems hitting in general is in a full decline.. You're going to have to pay players much more on the market than they were worth 5 or 10 years ago.. I know one of the main reasons is probably roids and the fact that pitching was lacking..