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Fox News GOP debate

Michchamp

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anybody here going to risk the health of their brain cells & sanity by watching it? if so, please provide a full report for the board. maybe you would fare better if you made a drinking game out of it.
 
Every time Guiliani says 'Nine-Eee-hleven' (2008 game)
Every time someone says 'Obamacare'
Every time someone says 'isis'
Every time someone says 'job creator'
Every time someone says 'tax reform'
Every time someone says 'gun'
Every time someone says 'you're fired!'
Every time someone says 'immigration'
Every time someone says 'Obama'
Every time someone says 'Washington outsider'
Every time someone says 'climate change'


#LiverDamage
 
I kind of want Trump to stay ahead of the pack for as long as possible. We have to break the republican party completely in order to fix it. Maybe it's impossible, but I'm still hoping there's a path back to reasonable we can get to when enough people get tired of crazy.
 
Every time Guiliani says 'Nine-Eee-hleven' (2008 game)
Every time someone says 'Obamacare'
Every time someone says 'isis'
Every time someone says 'job creator'
Every time someone says 'tax reform'
Every time someone says 'gun'
Every time someone says 'you're fired!'
Every time someone says 'immigration'
Every time someone says 'Obama'
Every time someone says 'Washington outsider'
Every time someone says 'climate change'


#LiverDamage

I'm going to drink my normal healthy amount and probably not watch; or I'll watch very little.

Also, are the Democrats going to put on a show this year?
 
I'm going to drink my normal healthy amount and probably not watch; or I'll watch very little.

Also, are the Democrats going to put on a show this year?

I watched the one on CNN last election cycle; I forget who was on it, but it was early in the process, when Ron Paul was still polling well (before the media seemed to completely black coverage of him out). He was there, as was Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich... maybe Santorum & Huckabee also?

It wasn't really a "debate" obviously, at least according to what that word means. It was a chance for each candidate to blab a sound bite in response to a question from idiot Wolf Blitzer. Ron Paul made him obviously uncomfortable, which was the only entertaining thing.

This being on Fox, and the current GOP field being even more bloated and assinine due to Trump's presence (although I read Fox is limiting the prime time debate to only the top 10 or so candidates), I assume it will be even more retarded, which is saying a lot.
 
I kind of want Trump to stay ahead of the pack for as long as possible. We have to break the republican party completely in order to fix it. Maybe it's impossible, but I'm still hoping there's a path back to reasonable we can get to when enough people get tired of crazy.

first you need to fix the education system so that the mass of voters aren't so stupid AND wait for the current block of the 65 and over, barely-educated, racist, senile white voting populace to die off.

then there's a lag of a few years til the political system catches up.

you've got a long wait.
 
The Dems were in a similar state of disrepair about 10yrs ago. The GOP is fractured into about twenty subgroups at this point, based on social issues and old school economic policy and voodoo man foreign policy.

It would be funny to look back on remarks Trump would have made about Sarah Palin at that time.
 
The Dems were in a similar state of disrepair about 10yrs ago. ...

it's tough to say; so much of it is subjective, and back-room dealings play a role in what we get to see.

I don't think though, the 2004 - 2006 Dems were anywhere near as much of a clownshow as the current GOP. Currently the GOP doesn't seem to have any real united leadership - or even a mechanism to resolve this - with Fox News pushing their own business, the Koch Bros pushing theirs, and a smattering of smaller players (the Libertarians, one-issue Christian voters, etc.) slinging mud all over the place. The Democrats haven't been that fractured since the Dixiecrats split off, I would say.
 
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Trump's main asset, should he become the RNC's nominee. is that he has not (as yet) dog-whistled to the Tealibangeligal extremists of the rightwing.

I am fairly certain that his pick of a Veep running mate would either attract these extremists. or attract independents and fence-squatters, but not all.

I can't see teh Donald picking a teabagger's wet dream such as Scott Walker, but would he pick "the black" like Ben Carson, or a female corporate failure in his image like Carly Fiorina? Doubtful, but Trump is a stubborn and bullheaded real "Mavrick" unlike the faux old guard Republican McCain and his Veep running mate & teabagger sweetheart Palin.
 
it's tough to say; so much of it is subjective, and back-room dealings play a role in what we get to see.

I don't think though, the 2004 - 2006 Dems were anywhere near as much of a clownshow as the current GOP. Currently the GOP doesn't seem to have any real united leadership - or even a mechanism to resolve this - with Fox News pushing their own business, the Koch Bros pushing theirs, and a smattering of smaller players (the Libertarians, one-issue Christian voters, etc.) slinging mud all over the place. The Democrats haven't been that fractured since the Dixiecrats split off, I would say.

I'm just saying that the GOP was always credited with circling the wagons when needed and lining up behind whatever candidate seemed most likely to win. The Dems, on the other hand, had the more moderate/"electable" component and the far left ...the environmentalists, the social policy (Roe vs Wade) wing and so forth.

This time around it's the GOP that seems fractured and divided along far more lines than ever historically.

I will give Trump some credit for how he keeps slamming "career politicians." He's no different in a lot of ways but he's right about how useless these "debates" are when it comes down to it.
 
Tox Spews nutwork apparently went against its own announced scheme using the final 5 poll(s) prior to their set deadline to select their top ten candidates, by abandoning a WSJ/NBC poll showing former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Ohio Gov. John Kasich within one percentage point of each other...and instead used a Quinnipiac University poll gathered between July 23 and 28 showing Kasich ahead by three percentage points, for the 10th and final seat @ the "Big Boy Table."

Since these debates are being held in Cleveland tonight, and the state itself being the difference between either major party losing or winning the presidential elections every other 4 years, it was pretty much a slam dunk as to which one was gonna get the nod. This by whatever slimy means that Faux needed to use, much to Perry's detriment, who will now sit @ the 5pm kiddie table with Jindal, Fiorina, Pataki, Gilmore, Santorum, and Graham. Perry of course sank his own previous campaign here in MI in '11, when he had an oops moment & couldn't remember the third government department that he would have eliminated as POTUS (Energy) followed by 30 seconds of silence...>:D
 
It looks like the little seven are about to get started at the kids table here in a few minutes.

I may change my mind and tune in for chuckles; although the funniest part is almost surely when Trump takes the stage later tonight.
 
Trump is just funny. I'd vote for him just for shits and giggles. And though he won't be a favorite against Hilary, a debate between them would be hilarious.
 
So, did anyone watch it?


we had Battle Bots on the DVR going instead
 
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Teh Trumperor was attacked by the Tox Spews debate moderator Smegyn Smelly for his misogynist rhetoric, but he claimed that it was directed @ Rosie O'Donnell, to the cheers of the audience.

Teh Donald is still angry about her tirade:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=M28z9y4yT6Y

that appears to jive w the result i read about. the questions weren't as vapid as some might have expected from Fox, but they seemed to grill Trump a lot more than the other candidates, since the GOP operators would like to see him gone from the campaign.

And I guess Rubio in particular was tossed softball after softball
 
Of more interest to me was Mike Suckabee's vow to immediately grant personhood to fertilized eggs through the 14th amendment:

"I think the next president ought to invoke the Fifth, and 14th Amendments to the Constitution now that we clearly know that that baby inside the mother's womb is a person at the moment of conception."

"The reason we know that it is is because of the DNA schedule that we now have clear scientific evidence on. And, this notion that we just continue to ignore the personhood of the individual is a violation of that unborn child's Fifth and 14th Amendment rights for due process and equal protection under the law."

What Mike Huckabee Means By Giving 14th Amendment Rights To Fetuses

"But if Huckabee’s dubious legal strategy were to work, the consequences would be enormous. Not only would granting “personhood” to fetuses ban abortion in all but the rarest case where a pregnant woman and a fetus are both in mortal danger, it would put women who suffer miscarriages at risk of prosecution and jail time. The ambiguous wording of such measures has led many to fear that they could also outlaw common forms of birth control."


But..but..according to a couple DSF members, there is no evidence that there are conservatives who want to make certain artificial birth control methods illegal.


"All those differences are exactly what Keith Mason wants to change. He's president of Personhood USA, a group that's trying to rewrite the laws and constitutions of every state — and some countries — to recognize someone as a person "exactly at creation," he says. "It's fertilization; it's when the sperm meets the egg."

~snip~

"But if Personhood USA achieves its goal, says Grossman, who also works for the reproductive rights group Ibis Reproductive Health, it could threaten the use of a long list of commonly used contraceptives, including some birth control pills and the intrauterine device."

"This redefinition really could end up reclassifying all of these effective and safe birth control methods as abortifacients, or agents that induce abortions," he says."

"That's because some of those methods not only may act to prevent fertilization but, if fertilization does occur, may prevent that fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus."

Abortion Foes Push To Redefine Personhoo
 
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that appears to jive w the result i read about. the questions weren't as vapid as some might have expected from Fox, but they seemed to grill Trump a lot more than the other candidates, since the GOP operators would like to see him gone from the campaign.

And I guess Rubio in particular was tossed softball after softball

My guess would be that Jeb! and Rubio, amongst perhaps a few others are on Ailes/Tox' shortlist of preferred RNC candidates. Since Scott Walker is the personal puppet of the Kochsucker Bros, I suppose that he could also outlast most of the other 16 as well, maybe up to the GOP's official nomination date.
 
I just hope none of them become president ever... Bunch of wack jobs on that list..
 
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