Game 15: Lions @ Bears Thread

[biggunsbob]

I notice the good far outweighs the bad. Stafford is Super Bowl caliber. Only haters and morons think otherwise

Again bullshit... The majority on here want Stafford to win... Discussing some of his
good play and poor play is just that... Discussion.. You just fail to realize that..
Or even see it.

Funny because Matt on Mlive said he played poorly in the first half of the Bears game...
You just choose to ignore it...

 

[LKP]

Majority iof time Matt plays well. 11-4. Dispute bitches

 

[lgolfer]

Majority iof time Matt plays well. 11-4. Dispute bitches

Even if we all agreed that he plays well for "the majority of the time," then by definition he still has things to improve on.

Everyone is happy that the Lions are 11-4. But there will be quite a few annoyed people, including me, if the Lions defense plays great in the playoffs, but we still lose because the offense failed to put up 20+ points. Unfortunately, the offense, including Stafford, has given us reason to believe that this could be a significant problem.

 

[LKP]

Even if we all agreed that he plays well for "the majority of the time," then by definition he still has things to improve on.

Everyone is happy that the Lions are 11-4. But there will be quite a few annoyed people, including me, if the Lions defense plays great in the playoffs, but we still lose because the offense failed to put up 20+ points. Unfortunately, the offense, including Stafford, has given us reason to believe that this could be a significant problem.

You are assuming they won't be awesome in a future scenario. And many ignore the talent and act like they play poorly. 11 wins is not poor. The offense will not hold us back and hasn't held us back from anything. This team is a winner. Super bowl caliber

 

[inkfreq]

The Lions offense is geared around ground control. It's like a game of chess really, control the middle of the field with hard runs (Bell), control the short perimeter with sharp short controlled passes (Bush and Tate) and wait for the big opening down field (Calvin).

Everything the Lions offense has done or has failed to do this season is a direct reflection of that philosophy. Stafford has been extremely effective running that offense, it's letting us all down to much because the offense isn't designed to put up big gaudy numbers, when it has so much potential to do just that.

The play calling from Lombardi has been very vanilla, very predictable, but it is working in as much as we've won 11 games. I'd like to see him hit the accelerator pedal in today's game and show some bigger balls.

You have to admit though, Staffords picks have been down, and that also is a direct reflection of them giving him safer routes to target. We're a long shot to win in Lambeau today, so take a few risks, and open up the playbook past page 4, and let's see if this team can shock the Packers.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

No offense is designed to score fewer points and fail to move down the field, that's a cop-out. It might just be a crappy system, but it's certainly not the active philosophy driving the offense.

BTW, check out all of the places Caldwell and Lombardi have been. The offenses have all been great with great QBs. They've been average with average QB play, and bad with bad QB play. Apparently the system wasn't holding anyone else back.

 

[mhughes0021]

I thought linehans offense was predictable with Pettigrew running his 6 yard routes and bush in the flat the entire game.

Lombardi is 100000000 x more predictable.

calvin 7 yard slant, ebron 2 yard speed out, back underneath....the entire game...every game.

 

[biggunsbob]

Majority iof time Matt plays well. 11-4. Dispute bitches

Detroit Lions QB Matthew Stafford admits critical mistakes in red zone.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/12/detroit_lions_matthew_stafford_53.html


There is not a one of us on here that does not want Matt to win..
Nothing wrong with discussing his all around play good and bad..

Glad to see Matt is addressing it because LKP wouldn't..

 

[LKP]

He played well on other plays. Moved the ball all day. Big day for stafford today. 350 yards and 4 tds. We pick rodgers off twice too

 

[Mitchrapp]

Agree with the fact no one designs an offense to score 20 points a game. No one designs an offense to move part of the way and then punt. No one designs an offense to run the ball ineffectively as they do. No one designs the offense to throw less than 20 TD's.

The object is to score points so the defense doesn't have to do everything..

 

[mhughes0021]

He played well on other plays. Moved the ball all day. Big day for stafford today. 350 yards and 4 tds. We pick rodgers off twice too

Other plays don't matter when you single handedly stall drives once youre on the other side of the field. 2 ints in the redzone and 2 missed 3rd downs to wide open WRs (with no pressure) to start the game last week. Cant do that this week.

 

[grandy]

Other plays don't matter when you single handedly stall drives once youre on the other side of the field. 2 ints in the redzone and 2 missed 3rd downs to wide open WRs (with no pressure) to start the game last week. Cant do that this week.

...or in the playoffs. Excuses only last so long...they don't matter once you're eliminated.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Why is Tannehill better than Matt Stafford?

 

[inkfreq]

Agree with the fact no one designs an offense to score 20 points a game. No one designs an offense to move part of the way and then punt. No one designs an offense to run the ball ineffectively as they do. No one designs the offense to throw less than 20 TD's.

The object is to score points so the defense doesn't have to do everything..

No one said they designed the offense to not score. I said they designed the offense to play conservative and look for the big shots when they open up.

The failing of the offense is that Lombardi believes all of these short routes will leave Calvin in single coverage a lot as teams play in to take away the middle of the field. Well, that's just stupid... no one is leaving Calvin open down field in any situation.

Stafford has run the offense effectively, with some key mistakes to be sure, but the offense isn't designed to take big shots all day. It's designed to pick a defense apart and wait for the big openings... which don't happen much.

It's a boring offense that doesn't take advantage of having a guy like Calvin at all, but the players are executing it well enough for the most part.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If they don't run deep routes no one gets open. They play more conservative and yet Matt isn't any better than he was before. So why not change it up. So I disagree Matt has been more effective. Less INT but less TD's.

And the players aren't executing well enough or they'd score more than 20. If you're not taking advantage of Calvin you're doing it wrong..

 

[coel73]

I hate the networks for finally picking up a game of ours for the backstory and ratings. But, at least I won't have to mess around with an online glitchy feed.

 

[coel73]

Screen to Tate on third down please

 

[coel73]

Goddammit.