Game 9: Browns @ Lions Thread

[LKP]

Browns lost 4 games by 3 points and led the Vikings by one point with 1 minute left in the 3rd.


Lions won by 14.


Did everyone see the Matchup Nightmare make a huge TD catch. You probably hated that one

 

[brewer229]

Cooter fixed his fundamentals, that's all I'm giving him credit for. Imo, Stafford has outgrown him and this team needs a more aggressive OC now.

I'm not sure our team is suited to be an aggressive team.

Tate is best when he catches the ball 3 yards down field and can get in open space. Marvin Jones shows big play ability, but also disappears, which is common for that type of player. Stafford struggles with down field accuracy, although it has drastically improved since his first 7 years.

Main reason we are winning games is because we have been good in turnover differential and defense. Our defense/Special teams has scored 6TDs and our offense has given up 4TDs (Hurts defensive PPG).

Historically a wide open lions offense have lead to many more turnovers and more 3 and outs. Which puts our defensive unit in a hole. Right now we need to be helping our best unit, not hurting it.

 

[Tonyballs2]

you are right...they beat a shitty team by double digits...I knew they would. The Lions made me some $$$ on Sunday

Awesome bro! Congrats! :cheers:

 

[dubbsco]

Tony, it's not that they won, it's how they won. They've won with the same damn formula seeming all of this year. Fall behind early with shit play calling (massive emphasis on run), realize that there's only 15 minutes left and then start chucking the ball with great effectiveness.

It's just downright scary to think that if Kizer doesn't get hurt, the Lions could have very well lost this game. We want to see them take a shit opponent, put this game out of reach early, and move on.

They cannot play like they did on Sunday and expect to win this division or do anything in the playoffs.

 

[kdp1980]

I'm not sure our team is suited to be an aggressive team.

Tate is best when he catches the ball 3 yards down field and can get in open space. Marvin Jones shows big play ability, but also disappears, which is common for that type of player. Stafford struggles with down field accuracy, although it has drastically improved since his first 7 years.

Main reason we are winning games is because we have been good in turnover differential and defense. Our defense/Special teams has scored 6TDs and our offense has given up 4TDs (Hurts defensive PPG).

Historically a wide open lions offense have lead to many more turnovers and more 3 and outs. Which puts our defensive unit in a hole. Right now we need to be helping our best unit, not hurting it.

Our offense is most successful when they are more aggressive, when they try to play it safe and controlled the offense sputters and looks predictable. Marvin Jones plays a great game, then has 1 catch the following week, unacceptable. They need to trust him enough to throw down field to him every game. He makes contested catches, so keep trying that every week. I don't think the problem is Jones.

 

[brewer229]

Our offense is most successful when they are more aggressive, when they try to play it safe and controlled the offense sputters and looks predictable.

I think that's the plan. Try to control the clock, minimize the number of drives and don't make mistakes. Get the ball into the play-makers hands quickly.

Even some of our longer drives are made big YAC gains. Also it seems to help we don't go to the aggressive route too often. We had years and years of being aggressive and it lead to some excitement on occasions, but also a lot of failure.

Big plays are way more fun to watch, but turnovers are not. The most consistent thing winners do is end up positive in the +/- turnovers. We need to maintain that as much as we can, that is a huge reason we are over .500. Getting turnovers and not giving the ball up.

 

[kdp1980]

I think that's the plan. Try to control the clock, minimize the number of drives and don't make mistakes. Get the ball into the play-makers hands quickly.

Even some of our longer drives are made big YAC gains. Also it seems to help we don't go to the aggressive route too often. We had years and years of being aggressive and it lead to some excitement on occasions, but also a lot of failure.

Big plays are way more fun to watch, but turnovers are not. The most consistent thing winners do is end up positive in the +/- turnovers. We need to maintain that as much as we can, that is a huge reason we are over .500. Getting turnovers and not giving the ball up.

Disagree, the reason we are barely above .500 is because we are too conservative and gay with our playcalling. Need to open it up more, and earlier in the game.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Disagree, the reason we are barely above .500 is because we are too conservative and gay with our playcalling.

Well said.

7-2 if we decided not to play pussy football, IMO.

 

[brewer229]

Disagree, the reason we are barely above .500 is because we are too conservative and gay with our playcalling. Need to open it up more, and earlier in the game.

Ah the hope and pray method. The Jim Schwartz methodology of coaching, we won't be scared.

 

[dubbsco]

Brewer, this team is not built to control the clock. They don't have running backs that can move the sticks.

They need to spread the F out of the ball, get Riddick involved all day, and air this thing out. It's really no surprise that they score quickly when they start throwing, and don't do shit when it's same ol run crap.

 

[Tonyballs2]

Disagree, the reason we are barely above .500 is because we are too conservative and gay with our playcalling. Need to open it up more, and earlier in the game.

Our OLine has been decimated with injuries. Open what up? Dtafford has gotten killed this year. You can't open up shit. And we have no run game. It doesn't exist. It's fucking football 101.

 

[Tonyballs2]

Tony, it's not that they won, it's how they won. They've won with the same damn formula seeming all of this year. Fall behind early with shit play calling (massive emphasis on run), realize that there's only 15 minutes left and then start chucking the ball with great effectiveness.

It's just downright scary to think that if Kizer doesn't get hurt, the Lions could have very well lost this game. We want to see them take a shit opponent, put this game out of reach early, and move on.

They cannot play like they did on Sunday and expect to win this division or do anything in the playoffs.

Cleveland has played tough all year. And against good teams to boot. A win is a win. Ya, of course there's shit to clean up but there's no panic.
And they have won in a variety of ways this yr actually. Defense showing up, offense exploding at the right times, at least 3 victory formations. Cmon, we're not winning every game by 20+ lol.

 

[LKP]

There are deep routes run a good amount on almost every play. It's about having the time to throw to them and the weapon getting open. Going deep is not always the smart throw. Stafford is playing well now healthy.

 

[kdp1980]

Our OLine has been decimated with injuries. Open what up? Dtafford has gotten killed this year. You can't open up shit. And we have no run game. It doesn't exist. It's fucking football 101.

Pass blocking has been decent the last 2-3 games, and still this offense seems like its in restraints to start games. Why is that? Cooters a cooter, that's why

 

[kdp1980]

There are deep routes run a good amount on almost every play. It's about having the time to throw to them and the weapon getting open. Going deep is not always the smart throw. Stafford is playing well now healthy.

So its Stafford that is way to tentative the first half of most games?

 

[brewer229]

Brewer, this team is not built to control the clock. They don't have running backs that can move the sticks.

They need to spread the F out of the ball, get Riddick involved all day, and air this thing out. It's really no surprise that they score quickly when they start throwing, and don't do shit when it's same ol run crap.

We are #10 in time of possession.

There has also been some drives ending quickly when we miss on those deep plays.

We do a good job of spreading out the ball. We just do it with quick throws.

A number of good teams get by with a very similar offense. The teams that "air it out" the most are Houston, Arizone, Chicago, Tampa. Based on Average air yards per catch.

Detroit is in the middle of the pack. One of the least "big air" teams is new Orleans. But Brees always makes the right decision it seems. Quick throws, very accurate and finds the wide open guy. Stafford is making progress towards that, he is not missing the open guy, and has become much more accurate on throws 10 yards or less.

This is the NFL, there is a focus on getting to the QB, defenses are getting to the QB quicker. Unless you have a very mobile QB like Rodgers or Wilson, those long developing plays are not a way to be successful long term.

 

[kdp1980]

We are #10 in time of possession.

There has also been some drives ending quickly when we miss on those deep plays.

We do a good job of spreading out the ball. We just do it with quick throws.

A number of good teams get by with a very similar offense. The teams that "air it out" the most are Houston, Arizone, Chicago, Tampa. Based on Average air yards per catch.

Detroit is in the middle of the pack. One of the least "big air" teams is new Orleans. But Brees always makes the right decision it seems. Quick throws, very accurate and finds the wide open guy. Stafford is making progress towards that, he is not missing the open guy, and has become much more accurate on throws 10 yards or less.

This is the NFL, there is a focus on getting to the QB, defenses are getting to the QB quicker. Unless you have a very mobile QB like Rodgers or Wilson, those long developing plays are not a way to be successful long term.

Lions are 2nd in the league in scoring in the 4th quarter
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/4th-quarter-points-per-game


23rd in scoring in the 1st quarter, 3.3 fucking points in the 1st quarter=gay/pussy play calling

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/1st-quarter-points-per-game

Give up 5.6 in the 1st quarter. So we play to be in a hole entering quarter 2


https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opp-1st-quarter-points-per-game

6th in scoring in the 2nd quarter
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/2nd-quarter-points-per-game

9th in 3rd quarter scoring

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/3rd-quarter-points-per-game


See the trend? Gutless in the 1st quarter

 

[Tonyballs2]

Pass blocking has been decent the last 2-3 games, and still this offense seems like its in restraints to start games. Why is that? Cooters a cooter, that's why

Hard to put the sole blame on Cooter. Defenses know what we're about. We're a pass heavy offense holding onto hopes and dreams of one time showing up on the running game lol.

 

[brewer229]

Lions are 2nd in the league in scoring in the 4th quarter
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/4th-quarter-points-per-game


23rd in scoring in the 1st quarter, 3.3 fucking points in the 1st quarter=gay/pussy play calling

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/1st-quarter-points-per-game

Give up 5.6 in the 1st quarter. So we play to be in a hole entering quarter 2


https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opp-1st-quarter-points-per-game

6th in scoring in the 2nd quarter
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/2nd-quarter-points-per-game

9th in 3rd quarter scoring

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/3rd-quarter-points-per-game


See the trend? Gutless in the 1st quarter

So are you complaining about 1 quarter of the play calling?

 

[LKP]

Which plays in particular didn't you like? Or are you just assuming because they failed it was bad play calling


Be specific. Give the play, what they called and what play you would have called. Be real specific on the routes and protection schemes you would have used. What were the hot routes you want. What personnel are you using KDP. Please respond