Game 9: Browns @ Lions Thread

[mhughes0021]

Which plays in particular didn't you like? Or are you just assuming because they failed it was bad play calling


Be specific. Give the play, what they called and what play you would have called. Be real specific on the routes and protection schemes you would have used. What were the hot routes you want. What personnel are you using KDP. Please respond

You don't have to be specific when we continue to run vs an 8 man box and throw vs a 5 or 6 man box. That's generally stupid.

 

[mhughes0021]

LOL there is no running QBR. There is one QBR. And QB rating as well. Stafford had 118 rating. That is what matters.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400951563


Notice there is no QBR under the rushing stats. Hughes got caught in a lie.

Stafford did much much much much much much better than Kizer in this game. Admit it Hughes


Lions defense gave up 24 mainly due to running. Browns had two shorter fields for their first 10 points too. It was a solid defensive day. Plus 2 turnovers forced with a defensive TD. 4 sacks.

Hughes not lying. Stafford 55 qbr. Which had nothing to do with my original point but it still feels good to make lkp squirm and prove him wrong time and time again. Kizer top 5 after cams nice performance.

2017 Regular Season NFL Leaders

RKPLAYERRESULTPTS ADDEDPASSRUNPENALTYTOTAL EPAQB PLAYSRAW QBRTOTAL QBR1Case Keenum, MINW*38-30*@ WSH in Wk 109.511.1-0.30.010.73098.998.72Cam Newton, CARW*45-21*vs MIA in Wk 108.07.42.80.310.54492.890.03C.J. Beathard, SFW*31-21*vs NYG in Wk 105.25.92.2-0.18.02992.587.34Tom Brady, NEW*41-16*@ DEN in Wk 103.23.9-0.40.24.63876.683.35DeShone Kizer, CLEL*38-24*@ DET in Wk 103.62.63.70.36.84973.678.26Matt Ryan, ATLW*27-7*vs DAL in Wk 103.25.10.00.26.03180.878.07Kirk Cousins, WSHL*38-30*vs MIN in Wk 102.95.00.7-0.16.05069.777.58Brett Hundley, GBW*23-16*@ CHI in Wk 101.81.21.40.44.83169.374.99Eli Manning, NYGL*31-21*@ SF in Wk 102.84.30.00.15.14371.669.710Ben Roethlisberger, PITW*20-17*@ IND in Wk 101.95.0-0.50.45.43568.668.5RKPLAYERRESULTPTS ADDEDPASSRUNPENALTYTOTAL EPAQB PLAYSRAW QBRTOTAL QBR11Drew Brees, NOW*47-10*@ BUF in Wk 101.73.20.30.54.03069.366.712Philip Rivers, LACL*20-17*@ JAX in Wk 10-0.43.30.00.33.64046.464.413Jay Cutler, MIAL*45-21*@ CAR in Wk 100.52.90.00.02.93954.461.214Matthew Stafford, DETW*38-24*vs CLE in Wk 102.41.92.00.35.83473.555.115Russell Wilson, SEAW*22-16*@ ARI in Wk 10-0.52.4-0.3-0.24.04546.354.2

 

[LKP]

Hughes not lying. Stafford 55 qbr. Which had nothing to do with my original point but it still feels good to make lkp squirm and prove him wrong time and time again. Kizer top 5 after cams nice performance.

2017 Regular Season NFL Leaders

RKPLAYERRESULTPTS ADDEDPASSRUNPENALTYTOTAL EPAQB PLAYSRAW QBRTOTAL QBR1Case Keenum, MINW*38-30*@ WSH in Wk 109.511.1-0.30.010.73098.998.72Cam Newton, CARW*45-21*vs MIA in Wk 108.07.42.80.310.54492.890.03C.J. Beathard, SFW*31-21*vs NYG in Wk 105.25.92.2-0.18.02992.587.34Tom Brady, NEW*41-16*@ DEN in Wk 103.23.9-0.40.24.63876.683.35DeShone Kizer, CLEL*38-24*@ DET in Wk 103.62.63.70.36.84973.678.26Matt Ryan, ATLW*27-7*vs DAL in Wk 103.25.10.00.26.03180.878.07Kirk Cousins, WSHL*38-30*vs MIN in Wk 102.95.00.7-0.16.05069.777.58Brett Hundley, GBW*23-16*@ CHI in Wk 101.81.21.40.44.83169.374.99Eli Manning, NYGL*31-21*@ SF in Wk 102.84.30.00.15.14371.669.710Ben Roethlisberger, PITW*20-17*@ IND in Wk 101.95.0-0.50.45.43568.668.5RKPLAYERRESULTPTS ADDEDPASSRUNPENALTYTOTAL EPAQB PLAYSRAW QBRTOTAL QBR11Drew Brees, NOW*47-10*@ BUF in Wk 101.73.20.30.54.03069.366.712Philip Rivers, LACL*20-17*@ JAX in Wk 10-0.43.30.00.33.64046.464.413Jay Cutler, MIAL*45-21*@ CAR in Wk 100.52.90.00.02.93954.461.214Matthew Stafford, DETW*38-24*vs CLE in Wk 102.41.92.00.35.83473.555.115Russell Wilson, SEAW*22-16*@ ARI in Wk 10-0.52.4-0.3-0.24.04546.354.2

There is no where it says 55.2. He had a 73 QB like Kizer. QBR is meaningless. 118 QB rating is what matters. Stafford back in the top 10 in QB rating.

LOL hughes. You are such a joke

 

[brewer229]

here is the link for week 10:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/type/player-week

List Stafford total QBR of 55.1

The reason for the adjustment is because the browns suck. And a 55 means he did slightly better then average against a 0-9 team. Which is fair, because his first half was pretty bad

 

[tomdalton22]

There is no where it says 55.2. He had a 73 QB like Kizer. QBR is meaningless. 118 QB rating is what matters. Stafford back in the top 10 in QB rating.

LOL hughes. You are such a joke

I thought you said QB rating isn't a QB stat

 

[LKP]

I thought you said QB rating isn't a QB stat

It's both a team and QB stat. When the QB has a good one it's doing his job and the team is allowing him to do his job. If it's bad it could be the QB or it could be the team.

 

[kdp1980]

Which plays in particular didn't you like? Or are you just assuming because they failed it was bad play calling


Be specific. Give the play, what they called and what play you would have called. Be real specific on the routes and protection schemes you would have used. What were the hot routes you want. What personnel are you using KDP. Please respond

1st down run calls are what really chaps my ass, they result in a very minimal gains, a loss of yards, or a holding call. Be creative on first down, worst case you waste a down, which a run is anyway. I'd rather see a reverse to GT on 1st down than a 3 yard loss by AA that had no chance of going anywhere, because it was sniffed out by the d before the play was run

 

[brewer229]

1st down run calls are what really chaps my ass, they result in a very minimal gains, a loss of yards, or a holding call. Be creative on first down, worst case you waste a down, which a run is anyway. I'd rather see a reverse to GT on 1st down than a 3 yard loss by AA that had no chance of going anywhere, because it was sniffed out by the d before the play was run

In the Celevland game:

We ran on first down 12 times
We passed on first down 11 times.

8 of the run plays gained 5 of more yards (67%)
4 of the pass plays gained 5 of more yards. (36%)

3 of the run plays gained 0 or negative yards (25%)
5 of the pass plays gained 0 or negative yards (45%)


Also like to point out, 1 of the 5+ yards "pass plays" was a Stafford scramble, but I counted it as a passing play since that was the original play design.

 

[kdp1980]

In the Celevland game:

We ran on first down 12 times
We passed on first down 11 times.

8 of the run plays gained 5 of more yards (67%)
4 of the pass plays gained 5 of more yards. (36%)

3 of the run plays gained 0 or negative yards (25%)
5 of the pass plays gained 0 or negative yards (45%)


Also like to point out, 1 of the 5+ yards "pass plays" was a Stafford scramble, but I counted it as a passing play since that was the original play design.

1 game, go back to the other 7 games we ran the ball terribly but still insisted on running the ball into a wall of defenders expecting the run

 

[mhughes0021]

Just going off watching... but everytime we try to run while in an obvious run formation goes for a negative gain. Then we never try to come back and pass or play action out of that formation. So why the fuck are we trying it in the first place?

 

[mhughes0021]

It's both a team and QB stat. When the QB has a good one it's doing his job and the team is allowing him to do his job. If it's bad it could be the QB or it could be the team.

Aka... it's only a qb stat when it proves lkps point for that one minute or drive or day. But never is it a true stat when in contradicts everything lkp says. Which is basically every thread if you get him to talk long enough.

 

[grandy]

1 game, go back to the other 7 games we ran the ball terribly but still insisted on running the ball into a wall of defenders expecting the run

For the entire season

Lions 2017 Offensive Splits

Lions 2017 - All 1st Down Plays On Offense

On 1st downs

130 run plays (132 attempts - 2 kneels)
118 pass plays (106 attempts + 12 sacks)


46 pass plays gained 5+ yards (39%)
38 run plays gained 5+ yards (29%)

60 pass plays gained 0 or negative yards (51%)
39 run plays gained 0 or negative yards (30%)

 

[boogerlovejoy]

1st down run calls are what really chaps my ass, they result in a very minimal gains, a loss of yards, or a holding call. Be creative on first down, worst case you waste a down, which a run is anyway. I'd rather see a reverse to GT on 1st down than a 3 yard loss by AA that had no chance of going anywhere, because it was sniffed out by the d before the play was run

It's not the fact we run on 1st.....it's the type of play we run. It seems like we always run plays parallel to the LOS and when it goes bad......then it's 2nd and 15. The percentage of getting a first down drops dramatically in those situations.

You know who we miss this year.....Burton. We need a fullback desperately. Goal line situations as well.

Run 1st down plays that have little to no chance of losing yards. Way way way too many 2nd and long situations.

 

[kdp1980]

For the entire season

On 1st downs

130 run plays (132 attempts - 2 kneels)
118 pass plays (106 attempts + 12 sacks)


46 pass plays gained 5+ yards (39%)
38 run plays gained 5+ yards (29%)

Then we ran again on 2nd down and lost 4 yards. 3rd and 9. Yippee!!

 

[thehippo73]

It's not the fact we run on 1st.....it's the type of play we run. It seems like we always run plays parallel to the LOS and when it goes bad......then it's 2nd and 15. The percentage of getting a first down drops dramatically in those situations.

You know who we miss this year.....Burton. We need a fullback desperately. Goal line situations as well.

Run 1st down plays that have little to no chance of losing yards. Way way way too many 2nd and long situations.

I heard a stat on Abdullah that he leads the league in percentage of negative rushing plays. I think it was MNF that said 20% of Abdullah rushes resulted in negative yardage. That seems crazy to have a starting RB lose yards on every 5th play.

 

[brewer229]

Then we ran again on 2nd down and lost 4 yards. 3rd and 9. Yippee!!

You keep changing your complaint to try and make a point, it's not working.

But we get it, when plays work it's a good call, when plays don't work it's a bad call.
I just don't see why the coaches don't only call plays that work all the time. I mean if you just get rid of all the bad plays, it would be hard to lose. Simple.

 

[LKP]

A lot of plays have deep routes that could work from Cooter. They need to be executed. Many times the short stuff is the right choice too especially with Golden Tate and Theo Riddick on the team coupled with an injured Oline.

 

[kdp1980]

I mean if you just get rid of all the bad plays, it would be hard to lose. Simple.

There it is, get rid of the plays with the lowest success rate. I just hate the run game, period. They stick with the run game even when its not working. Get Abdullah more involved in the passing game. He accells in space, get him the ball in space. Maybe there aren't enough balls to go around, idk. I know its been mentioned, but why not throw riddick and abdullah in the backfield at the same time? Has it been done this season?

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah, I can't stand the run game either. And the plays the Lions do run are always sweeps, which are honestly the worst type of run in professional football. NEVER go left to right, the athletes are much too fast and blocks take too long to develop.

I just don't think it's any mystery that when the Lions spread and throw, it works. When they try and establish some run identity, it fails.

 

[kdp1980]

Stafford mic'd up for Browns game. Great stuff. Think I like the version on the Lions site a bit better, just because he basically predicted the Ebron TD

https://youtu.be/vbHxtEjiflE