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Grade the Draft

Grade the Draft

  • A

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • B

    Votes: 17 50.0%
  • C

    Votes: 12 35.3%
  • D

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    34
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...28/Lions-draft-class-mirrors-last-year-s-haul


Allen Park — Martin Mayhew liked his 2013 draft class so much, he decided to duplicate it.

Or at least that’s how it seemed in hindsight, as the Lions general manager stepped onto the podium one last time Saturday evening and reviewed an eight-player group that’ll get its first on-field work later this week at the team’s rookie minicamp.

The Lions started off the top with a raw, athletic playmaker in Eric Ebron, a pass-catching tight end who’ll be asked to do for the offense what first-round pick Ziggy Ansah was asked to do for the defense a year ago.

And from there, Mayhew followed a similar pattern, adding a likely defensive starter in the second round and an SEC-tested interior lineman in the third, before stocking up on developmental talent to begin Day 3.

Throw in a late-round specialist who’s expected to make the final roster cut — last year it was punter Sam Martin, this year it’s kicker Nate Freese — along with an offensive skill-position standout from Notre Dame (Theo Riddick, TJ Jones) and it’s practically a carbon copy.

There’s even the obligatory intellectual. A year ago, they brought in linebacker Brandon Hepburn, a biochemistry major who studied nanoparticles, and Saturday the Lions drafted Caraun Reid, a defensive tackle out of Princeton who’s also a late-round sleeper.

But when everything was finished this weekend, the question again was about the starters, and whether Mayhew felt he’d followed his own Rule of Thirds. He’d talked earlier in the week about wanting to find three starters, three contributors and three projects in every rookie class.

That’s something the Lions failed to do in 2011 and ’12, and it’s a big reason why they never duplicated that rare playoff showing of a few years ago.

Immediate impact

But last year’s draft produced four immediate starters: Ansah, cornerback Darius Slay, guard Larry Warford and punter Sam Martin, though Slay lost his job to veteran Rashean Mathis after some early struggles.

And while Mayhew wasn’t ready to make any projections about this group — “I mean, these guys haven’t even gotten here yet,” he laughed — the Lions certainly think they found a few rookie starters in Ebron, linebacker Kyle Van Noy and Freese.

“That was our goal going in,” Mayhew said. “We feel good about it. We’ll see how it goes.”

It goes without saying, but the Lions — and their new coaching staff — could use some help getting over the hump, though I do think all the defensive-minded angst from the fans misses the bigger picture.

Help wanted: 'Closers'

The Ebron pick was immediately panned, and I understand that. But just remember, the Lions ranked first in the NFL in both third-down defense and red-zone defense last season.

They were sixth-best in the league against the run, and their defensive passer rating (19th) actually looked a lot like their offensive passer rating (18th), with turnovers playing a critical role.

The Lions were 28th in sacks and 20th in forced turnovers, and when the offense sputtered down the stretch — a mess of fumbles, dropped passes and Matthew Stafford’s interceptions — that all led to a huge missed opportunity. Detroit was tied or held a lead in the fourth quarter in all but one game in 2013, yet somehow managed to finish 7-9.

That’s why you heard Sheldon White, the team’s pro personnel director, telling season-ticket holders at a town-hall meeting last month the Lions were looking for “closers” in the draft. And it’s why you heard Caldwell raving about Van Noy, the versatile linebacker who actually had more sacks (26) than No. 1 overall pick Jadeveon Clowney in college.

“Kyle is that kind of player,” Caldwell said. “He’s a closer. He’s a difference-maker.”

Mayhew expects Caldwell and his staff to make a difference, too, obviously. And as the real meat of the offseason draws closer — rookie minicamp this week, full-team OTAs the next — that’ll be where our focus shifts.

But for now, it does seem as if the offseason roster retooling is a bit more focused on some of those self-starter intangibles like accountability and reliability.

“That’s gonna be a big part of what we’re trying to do this year,” Mayhew said. “It’s getting that extra first down. It’s getting that third-down stop when we have to have it. It’s rising up in those pressure situations and making those plays. And that was what really cost us last year.”

And therein lies the problem with draft grades. Finding starters isn’t the hardest part of the job. It’s finding starters who can finish the job.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140512/SPORTS0101/305120028#ixzz31W7MZNoF
 
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"three starters, three contributors and three projects in every rookie class." -- not sure I get this. Why would you go into the draft with the plan is to take 3 projects..?

Nothing to do with who they drafted but taking a project over an equal player who is a non project..just so he can get his 3?
 
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I graded the draft as an A. For me a draft needs to be graded on the potential talent that exists in the players drafted. The Lions drafted guys have high potential. We have done well with small school big talent guys before and I think we added some guys with tremendous upside. We got a top 5 talent guy with our first pick at 10. We got a guy in Van Noy that imo should have been a mid first rounder. We added the best C in the draft. He is big and physical also has never missed a game and is great at calling out the line calls. Webster and Reid have tremendous upside. Reid is explosive off the ball but they need to fix his technique and get him stronger.(both easy fixes) Webster has the size and explosion to be a good DE. He may be stashed on the PS this year but his physical tools are intriguing. Lawson understands how to play the position. He is fast but short. Plays well in press and quick enough to play off as well. Also we got a Kicker. We got great potential in the draft so at this moment it is an A. Also I think they got value with every pick. Didn't reach and moved around the draft to get their guy. Complete draft.
 
"three starters, three contributors and three projects in every rookie class." -- not sure I get this. Why would you go into the draft with the plan is to take 3 projects..?

Nothing to do with who they drafted but taking a project over an equal player who is a non project..just so he can get his 3?



aren't most 6-7th round picks projects though?
 
I graded the draft as an A. For me a draft needs to be graded on the potential talent that exists in the players drafted. The Lions drafted guys have high potential. We have done well with small school big talent guys before and I think we added some guys with tremendous upside. We got a top 5 talent guy with our first pick at 10. We got a guy in Van Noy that imo should have been a mid first rounder. We added the best C in the draft. He is big and physical also has never missed a game and is great at calling out the line calls. Webster and Reid have tremendous upside. Reid is explosive off the ball but they need to fix his technique and get him stronger.(both easy fixes) Webster has the size and explosion to be a good DE. He may be stashed on the PS this year but his physical tools are intriguing. Lawson understands how to play the position. He is fast but short. Plays well in press and quick enough to play off as well. Also we got a Kicker. We got great potential in the draft so at this moment it is an A. Also I think they got value with every pick. Didn't reach and moved around the draft to get their guy. Complete draft.

I think Swanson was a small reach and didn't like the Round 2 trade losing 4th value. Reid was great value. Everyone else was proper value and has good potential and fits the schemes. Also no backup QB. That Mike Thomas trade looms large now. Easily could go QB Round 5 if we still had that original Round 5 pick. Get Reid and McCarron/Murray.
 
your mean LKP didn't give the draft an A? the man who has his head up Ford's ass?
 
your mean LKP didn't give the draft an A? the man who has his head up Ford's ass?

I don't really give grades. Just based on value and fit really. I like every single pick's potential though. Every team can say that right now about each draft pick though.
 
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Think it's because a project has more upside if said project pans out.

Why say anything..I mean would he not take a 4th starter because he only wants 3 :hehe:

I know it's not what it seems at lease I hope not..but why say anything.
 
It's his expectations. Of course he wants more than 3 starters but most good drafting teams get 3 usually. Basically any guy not a starter is a development player as a rookie. Some worse than others (roster vs practice squad vs cut right away in TC).
 
Why say anything..I mean would he not take a 4th starter because he only wants 3 :hehe:

I know it's not what it seems at lease I hope not..but why say anything.

I totally agree...but a whole bunch of media members and fans would be pissed if he said nothing, ever, which is pretty much the case.

So, he says something...and people have a hissy over it.
 
I totally agree...but a whole bunch of media members and fans would be pissed if he said nothing, ever, which is pretty much the case.

So, he says something...and people have a hissy over it.

Keep it simple.."I want to improve on last year" or some BS like that..

I will simply not accept 4 starters..:hehe:
 
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"three starters, three contributors and three projects in every rookie class." -- not sure I get this. Why would you go into the draft with the plan is to take 3 projects..?

Nothing to do with who they drafted but taking a project over an equal player who is a non project..just so he can get his 3?

Because anything after the 3rd rd is usually a project. Not really hard to understand, but take it to another level and kill it by acting confused lol. He said nothing out of the ordinary, but it's Mayhew, so you're making a story out of it .....pathetic.
 
Because anything after the 3rd rd is usually a project. Not really hard to understand, but take it to another level and kill it by acting confused lol. He said nothing out of the ordinary, but it's Mayhew, so you're making a story out of it .....pathetic.

You take things too serious..it was just a instance I found funny..nothing more :yay:
 
C

Ebron is very talented, but a questionable fit. Average.

Van Noy seems like a good player, but the trade up was odd. Above average.

Swanson projects as a mediocre athlete who isn't very strong. Dom is old and generally sucks, but I'm not sure Swanson looks like he can step in anytime soon. Below average.

Webster is a situational pass-rusher, and we've done pretty well getting 3rd down DEs lately. Average.

Reid can provide some depth, but won't be asked to do much. Average.

I honestly don't expect Jones to be more than a short term NFL journeyman. Average.

Freese was consistent and we need a kicker. Probably didn't need to use a pick on him, but at least forces him to join us instead of enticing him as a UDFA. Average.


I expect to get one sure starter out of this draft (Van Noy) and probably a high snap pseudo starter (Ebron). The rest I'm not sure are even in the NFL three years from now, but that's pretty average for the draft. I think we could have gotten players that fit better, but the talent where we got it is about what we could have expected from a BPA standpoint. We didn't take anybody that was a great value, but I don't think Mayhew really just blew any of the picks.
 
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